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    Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7

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        @Insomniac I meant that bad habits arise from neglect in guiding the child. That's why I call it passive.

        It's interesting Lipton included the Jesuits in the formation of the child till 7. But it's worthy to note that early cultures, or religions, including Christianity, are well aware of this phase of a person's development.

        No coincidence why First Communion is at age 7, Confirmation at around age 14. Why voting and drinking allowed only when reaching 21 (generally). And there are more phases past 21 though this is something I became aware of exploring esoteric Christianity.

        Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
        engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
        wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
        the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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          @yerrag said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

          Confirmation at around age 14.

          Years ago I read a psychology book that stated brain plasticity dramatically drops off after 14. That next 7 years probably accounts for the 5% or programming remaining.

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          • KvirionK
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            @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

            Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operations are programmed from our environment by age 7 and that this is why people have trouble escaping their past.

            Yeah, suppose someone wants to make a real change. In that case, they need to change the environment and narratives around them, heal traumas, and work hard on bioenergetics—mostly lowering cortisol/serotonin and increasing good stuff like thyroid, dopamine, etc. Such a venture may take a long, long time and a lot of effort/energy.

            And yes, the initial conditions (first 3-7 years) are still pretty hard to overcome, because through these first years, our environment creates a basic kind of framework/scaffold (energy patterns and structure in us) that is hard to rebuild/mold later...

            Dr Gabor Mate also talks/writes a lot about that.

            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
            There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
            And drinking largely sobers us again.
            ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                operations are programmed

                What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
                https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/

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                  @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                  I look forward to learning more on the topic.

                  I like long-format podcasts like these https://www.youtube.com/@DrChatterjeeRangan/search?query=gabor mate
                  Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhTWYDPAXI

                  Dr Lipton mentioned a sort of self brain washing by repeating things like "I am happy" to address the problem.

                  I guess it's like a first step in perspective-shifting - to get out of the negativity loop. He is similar to Ray in emphasizing problems with stress/trauma and cortisol production.
                  He seem to be more focused on emotional side of things and Ray was more about bioenergetics.

                  Deep down I think everyone wants to believe they can become the person that had a good childhood if the do xyz, correct the hormones or by reversing methylation and so on but that is probably is not realistic. That "scaffold" your childhood built is not going anywhere.

                  Yes, and for example for me admitting the existence of such a scaffold and working to mitigate/embrace it is working better than just denying its existence...
                  But also using Ray wisdom about bioenergetic - i.e. how to lower bad and increase good things turned out to be very useful.

                  A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                  Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                  There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                  And drinking largely sobers us again.
                  ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                  • KvirionK
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                    BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton

                    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR5MfCCyUoQ
                    • https://www.qualialife.com/people/bruce-lipton-phd?

                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
                    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                    • InsomniacI
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                      @Kvirion said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                      BTW Interesting longer podcasts with Dr Lipton

                      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR5MfCCyUoQ
                      • https://www.qualialife.com/people/bruce-lipton-phd?

                      Thanks. I'm checking them out now.

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                      • InsomniacI
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                        @ThinPicking said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                        @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                        operations are programmed

                        What's Love (and fluid dynamics) got to do with it.

                        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7955328/
                        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914548/
                        https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1998.tb06233.x
                        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9680676/

                        This topic is over my head. Interesting subject though. Thanks

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                          @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                          This topic is over my head.

                          Mine too. Welcome to earth.

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                          • JenniferJ
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                            @Insomniac said in Why it's hard to overcome a bad childhood. Dr. Lipton explains that 95% of our operational programming is completed by age 7:

                            Children never fully recover from abuse. Molested girls never seem to have completely normal relationships as adults.

                            I’m proof the above isn’t true. I was molested as a little girl, suffered neglect, but I don’t entertain dysfunctional relationships. I used to think that my inability to get close to a man was because of the past sexual abuse, but after working tirelessly to overcome trauma, find my voice and treat myself better than the past ever did, I realized I attracted men dominant in distorted, masculine energy and it’s distorted, masculine energy that I can’t get close to. I’m attracted to, and trust, energy in its divine state. My instincts were on point.

                            I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                              @Jennifer

                              Your statement brims with hope. That people with the strong will to overcome what life would unfairly present to them to their disadvantage, would hang on to loose baggage and allow it to define them. I share that attitude.

                              However, having lived and seen what most people would do on their own cognizance, I believe they can find the burden they had hard to overcome over their lifetime.

                              I personally saw and lived through what my dad became from the trauma of his early years, and there was nothing I could do to change that, despite the prayers of our family- my mom and siblings and my dad's closest friends. All we could do was to have compassion for him. It took me the longest to understand him, as much as I believe his heart was good and I gave him an A for effort.

                              You did well, but I think that you are an exception, and that you do not prove the rule.

                              Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                              engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                              wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                              the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                @Jennifer thanks for posting that cause i know that user’s statement is incorrect and im too lazy to make my own reply to explain why

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                                        @yerrag, I understand. I personally saw and lived through my mum’s trauma from her early years, even watched her die in my arms because of it, but I stand by my comment. I am proof that “children never fully recover from abuse” isn’t true. Some children, many even, but not all as Insomniac’s statement implies. Just like it was our parent’s choice to overcome their past, it was our choice to overcome ours and our parent’s and the collective’s/society’s by extension. We can lead a horse to water with the intention of having it drink, but what if it doesn’t believe it can drink because all the other horses don’t believe they can drink so they don’t? Thank God for all the exceptions breaking the rule.

                                        I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                                          @sneedful, you’re welcome. 🙂

                                          I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                                            @Insomniac

                                            I have had traumas all my life on all levels.

                                            After several years of studying bioenergetics and intensive experimentation, while working on the brain, I have come to the point where I am immune to disturbing thoughts and other people's opinions and thoughts like steel.

                                            There is a bubble of inner resilience around me, instead of a bubble made up of my environment, where any part that moves in it will make a hole in the bubble.

                                            Everything is possible and in retrospect, it's not difficult at all when someone with sufficient experience and knowledge explains exactly what to do and why - and that's what I'm doing today for others.

                                            A significant part of the process is to understand how the human brain works, both in terms of beliefs and thoughts and also in terms of neurotransmitters and hormones, because once you understand this, you can understand the motive of each person's actions.

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