Weight training for a few days consecutively causes extreme "fight or flight" response
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Five months ago, I restarted strength training after not having trained consistently in a while.
I was highly nauseous, zero appetite, excessive brightly colored bowel movements, difficulty sleeping, pumping heart rate, greater irritability, as well as extremely possessive and untrustworthy in my relationships. These symptoms were so bad, I would be laying in bed or on the couch trying to calm myself down, which was difficult because I often didn't feel anxious about anything in particular. I stopped going to the gym, not because I recognized it was causing this, but because I felt too awful to go and having not rebuilt the habit, eventually stopped going for another few months.
This week, I started going to the gym again, and got many of the same symptoms. They have been much more manageable, and I found that pregnenolone, taurine, vitamin E, sauna, and hot baths seem to give temporary relief from the symptoms, with them only fully going away with a few days of time away from the gym. My bowel movements are better, decreased nausea and I've only decreased my food intake a little from what it was prior.
Anyone have any insight as to what could be going on?
I've been having success going once every three days, and only experiencing extremely mild symptoms for about 30 minutes in the early afternoon the day after.
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@solsasha14 Are you eating enough?
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im gonna sound like mostlylurking with how she always mentions thiamine:
if youve had covid (or any infectious/inflammatory type illness) the viral particles can remain in the tissues and even directly in muscle tissue. when you start working out they get flushed out and it produces this sickness response.
or it might be gut bacteria (they get impacted by the stretching and movements of exercise) and biofilms breaking up
im told taurine can help, maybe NAC (not strictly peaty but might be appropriate), and some aspirin, you dont need alot
also something to think about, maybe you should schedule your workouts around your rest and food intake and not on a set day of the week. what i mean is that instead of saying youll go to the gym on wednesday after your workout monday, only go whenever you have taken in your food targets. if you feel nauseous after lifting on monday and you dont eat enough monday and tuesday as a result and it takes you until thursday or friday to eat what you should have eaten (and to feel better) then wait. like for example you have a 200g protein target per day among other macros and you only hit 100g on tuesday, then wait until you get enough nutrition to go back to lift.
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@solsasha14 .5mg cypro before gym completely eliminates my post-gym fatigue. ray said this was caused by serotonin
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@BroJonas I think so... It's definitely a possibility though. Think I read something yesterday about a lack of ample calories inducing adrenaline response.
Important to note that I don't get these symptoms while working out... and in fact, forcing myself to exercise briefly cleared my symptoms during its duration. However, they were worsened by a factor of 3 for the next day (in length and intensity)
I'm going to try bringing some fruit juice with me next time to sip throughout...
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@sneedful I've been using thiamine as well, I forgot to mention it in my original post.
I'd be surprised to hear that viral particles can be stored directly in muscle tissue. Is the only way to get rid of it by continuing to exercise?
Also, isn't 200g/day of protein a bit excessive? I remember reading a Broda Barnes passage where he discusses how excessive protein intake can result in hypothyroidism.
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@samson I haven't been feeling many of the symptoms that I attribute to being in the high serotonin state.
Also, wouldn't the cypro make me drowzy? I've heard lots of stories about how it would put people in long periods of sleep.
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@solsasha14 Nausea, low appetite, and loose poops all potentially sound like serotonin symptoms. i get a complete reversal of all 3 of those from cypro. such a small dose doesn't make me sleepy, but everyone is different
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@solsasha14 they can and in lymph and other tissues.
protein food intake depends on your overall calories. things are better for me on body recomp with way more protein than peatarians reccomend
gelatin protein and calcium probably offsets the thyroid supression of meat protein
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@solsasha14 cypro drowsiness mostly goes away after accustomed
imo it makes euphoria that can lead to sleepiness jf you are just sitting around (quite enjoyable)
if you are in the gym and taking caffeine too it will probably just feel goodcypro + carrot salad or other light plant fibres like cucumbers + coffee and juice etc might be really good workout stack. maybe baking soda if you can fit it in
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Consider adopting a High Intensity training routine, 1 workout every 4-5 days.
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@sneedful how much cypro do you take before working out
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@onliest I haven't tried it like that . anything up to 2mg might be good tho if you are accustomed to it already.
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@solsasha14 I doubt 0.5mg would make anyone drowsy, that's a teeny weeny dose
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@grymsky90210 i honestly get more tired at 0.5mg than a larger dose. I recall haidut saying on danny's podcast that some of his rower friends take 3-4mg
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@onliest do you remember what episode
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Interesting. I began workout out again recently as well and have had similar symptoms. Not any nausea but loose stools and upset digestion. I know lifting is a stressful event for the body. My symptoms aren’t as severe as yours but I also take 10 MeO Harmalen every morning which could be reduce symptoms but they definitely get worse through the day and especially post workout. Maybe I’ll try cypro and shift back to a HIT routine and less volume
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@grymsky90210 one of the earlier ones I'm not certain
