What do you guys think of Trump now that he won
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It makes you even worse. Being a white apologist for the Talmudists who are behind almost all of the carnage in the Napoleonic wars, and continuing on to the world wars of the last century, and continuing on with all the limited scale and regional wars we see now.
I would be honest just as you have been honest with me, that the details of German local politics are lost on me particularly to the rise of Hitler. But I don't doubt your recounting of the atmosphere of fear that helped him rise, but in politics, amidst the scale of Talmudist efforts to destabilize Germany with the money and power of Jewish financiers, who don't play by rules, would you see yourself as being able to get to a position of leadership by playing square?
You look at the soiled boots and say dirty while you overlook and trivialize how Hitler resurrected Germany's economic stature despite the odds imposed on Germany by the heavy reparations imposed on it by the Talmudist power brokers in the Treaty of Versailles? How convenient to your shaping of your own version of history.
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who don't play by rules, would you see yourself as being able to get to a position of leadership by playing square?
No. But it's not like Hitler actually challenged the existing leadership of the nation, the national bourgeoisie of Germany (Krupp corporation, etc), that had led them to move against France during WW1 for its coal in the first place. That's what makes it a fake revolution. He carried out their political will perfectly.
As an illustrative, here is Mussolini bowing before the King of Italy.
you overlook and trivialize how Hitler resurrected Germany's economic stature despite the odds imposed on Germany
I do overlook it. I can point out that I am somewhat aware of such things. Volkswagen, Autobahn. I used to think like you.
But even throwing what we might call bourgeois morality out the window (i.e., let's ignore Hitler murdering 25% of the Belarusian population, for ex.), it absolutely does not matter to me when Hitler built these things directly to fight a war he then lost. This is where the great divide between the Gnostic camp (generally your position) and the Materialist one lies. You think a concept of a Good Idea a-priori of reality is what matters. Victory in actual History is infinitely more important.
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@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
Victory in actual History is infinitely more important.
And that makes you an apologist for the victors. It matters little what your belief and concept of virtues is. Winning is your virtue. Everything else goes to the scrap heap.
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It matters little what your belief and concept of virtues is. Winning is your virtue. Everything else goes to the scrap heap.
That is correct. I believe that systems at war generally win if they are more correct than their opponents and lose when they are less correct. If there is any a-priori virtue I have it is an estimation of harmony with material reality. And this is exactly what Peat teaches us. That improvement of the real material cell function is more important than any ideology about how PUFA is secretly good for you.
So-called "virtues" that lose aren't worth anything. The virtuous is what is real.
Christ won. For instance.
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@Rah1woot Your honesty is encouraging but there is nothing Peaty about what you said.
The powers that be impose vaccines and the false idea of the germ theory and that of random mutations instead of the wisdom of the body and the terrain theory.
Your belief makes you hostage to the false narrative of the medical industrial complex.
They are winning. And you are just bowing to them.
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They are winning.
What gives me hope is exactly how I recognize that they are losing. Look internationally. The domestic powers have no incentive to improve things until they are challenged from outside. They know this and are getting increasingly desperate and violent. MAGA as you identify is not a full solution but actually opens the space for anti-vaccine, anti-war ideas to control the discourse. RFK as health minister and such. I could see one or two factional splits in MAGA leading to a new golden age.
But true to my word, History will be the judge. The beauty is that their false ideas will be what leads to their failure. You cannot ultimately win against a true idea with a false idea in your heart. No matter how titanic the power may seem today, if their trend is downwards (as it clearly is), they will lose.
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I can only hope the eventual outcome will see you right. The plot and its twist and turns will be a roller coaster ride, with no engineer/designer guiding a predictable outcome.
If you are right, it will have to involve a once in an epoch reshaping of history where mankind undergoes a mass awakening that makes us act in unison in overthrowing the system lords. Some kind of termite mindmeld may have to happen.
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I forget where I heard it, possibly anabology talking about how the government having power to ban seed oils is not a good thing. RFK came out of nowhere and now is suddenly everywhere, just like Elon. Alex Jones is out of the picture. They just re-brand and prepare for a new role.
I agree with the "banning" criticism - if everyone were educated on these things, maybe the market would shift meaningfully. Then again, the high-tech surveillance market is updating in real-time.
I have a few predictions
1). a "successful" assassination
2). inflation remains high
3). immigration continues to rise
4). or status quo and more money to Israel and Ukraine or some other novel international NATO conflict like Lebanon.Trump has the image of a dictator, implicitly. If it's banning the bad stuff, people love it. If it's creating digital ID and universal tracking and more vaccines, people might be a little skeptical about executive power and cleaning out and restructuring federal agencies. Some of the things he supposedly wanted to do in 2016 were ridiculous, but what's the truth? Does a president run a twitter account where he tweets all caps about bombing other countries? It's kind of a joke at this point.
He's very much a controlled opposition. Mossad or the mysterious cabalist power elites running banking and international trade are in charge. It seems like a big tent and a genuine movement, but it's pretty empty inside, and they know this, and that's why they all take on the spirit of the anti-Christ (Russell Brand, Tucker, trads, and a lot of this alt-health and man-o-sphere, red-pill, free thinking sphere too) which is convincing to a lot of people. Elon is the new "NASA" deception that will probably film a Mars landing.
It's all very tiresome.
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It's not like he accomplished anything in his first term so it'll be more of that I guess, along with his incoherent bragging and the 24/7 wailing of his insufferable, pea-brained critics.
The Empire rolls on.
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DJT hates toxic, ecosystem destroying wind turbines, pedophiles, and baby rapists (just to start). I'm expecting many good things once upside down clown world is done with its engineered, collective melt-down.
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@S-Holmes said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
DJT hates toxic, ecosystem destroying wind turbines, pedophiles, and baby rapists (just to start). I'm expecting many good things once upside down clown world is done with its engineered, collective melt-down.
Mr. Warpspeed also loves his "beautiful vaccine" and is involved in the greatest mass murder in the history of mankind. I don't think he has ever apologized for his role in this and I don't think raypeatforum hero Kennedy Jr. has ever addressed this publicly since he endorsed Trump. Some people forget very quickly.
But I have to admit, the mental breakdown of "liberals" yesterday was a sight to behold.
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This is why I think the true hope of politics lies in international conflict.
China, Russia, for ex, did not give out Pfizer/mRNA vaccines. Or at least at not nearly the level of the US.
Are those nations "completely pure"? No, absolutely not. But such is the dialectical nature of progression and conflict.
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@Luke said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
@S-Holmes said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
DJT hates toxic, ecosystem destroying wind turbines, pedophiles, and baby rapists (just to start). I'm expecting many good things once upside down clown world is done with its engineered, collective melt-down.
Mr. Warpspeed also loves his "beautiful vaccine" and is involved in the greatest mass murder in the history of mankind. I don't think he has ever apologized for his role in this and I don't think raypeatforum hero Kennedy Jr. has ever addressed this publicly since he endorsed Trump. Some people forget very quickly.
But I have to admit, the mental breakdown of "liberals" yesterday was a sight to behold.
Operation Warpspeed actually saved us. (I'm a lifelong ANTI-vaxxer.) When you are forced to choose the lesser evil, what can you do? If he had not initiated Warpspeed we would STILL be in lockdown, waiting on lengthy drug trials to be completed. Many millions would have been without food and other necessities, cut off from their family/support network. (That was the plan to destroy America and the world.) SO MANY businesses and lives were destroyed during the short lockdown. The world would look very different now if DJT hadn't made the tough choice. And although he had nothing whatsoever to do with the plandemic, he would have been blamed no matter what he decided to do.
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@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
This is why I think the true hope of politics lies in international conflict.
China, Russia, for ex, did not give out Pfizer/mRNA vaccines. Or at least at not nearly the level of the US.
Are those nations "completely pure"? No, absolutely not. But such is the dialectical nature of progression and conflict.
I believe that most of the USA/Nato/West vs. BRICS conflict is a hoax to create a false binary and that they have the same goals.
This recent article sums it up pretty well in my opinion: https://off-guardian.org/2024/11/02/would-you-like-to-know-what-brics-just-declared/
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@Luke That is a fair belief. More-or-less what I used to think.
I have since been convinced by the actions of these nations (rather than their word) that they use such language to get the WEF people off of their back. China makes something like 54% of world's steel. And so transacting business with the elites on their terms is necessary for the time being.
Admittedly not all BRICS nations can be considered equal in this regard. India is literally ruled by overt fascism. It amuses me to think that the Hitlerite program has been largely realized in India. Do they want to be like India?
But I digress.
Here is Hillary Clinton talking on the subject (China):
https://x.com/ChathamHouse/status/1390284424806289410
We tried. We let them into the World Trade Organization. ... They are a controlled top-down economy.
i.e., "their top-down control doesn't let us get an angle inside."
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Probably a better and far more entertaining parking spot than lmao-Kam.
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@S-Holmes said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
If he had not initiated Warpspeed we would STILL be in lockdown, waiting on lengthy drug trials to be completed.
The vaccine, the covid seasonal flu hoax, 5G, digital id, internet of bodies, etc it's the same event.
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@Luke said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
false binary
Agree. The west has always been collaborating with east/Communist countries to destabilize and conquer autonomous outlier countries.
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@Corngold said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:
The vaccine, the covid seasonal flu hoax, 5G, digital id, internet of bodies, etc it's the same event.
Ok but 2 parts are in the future and 5 are optional. Just don't let the optional part change before someone has a better idea.
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@Corngold At risk of sounding like a Brezhnev-era apparatchik... I might word the premise:
Agree. The west has always been collaborating with east/Communist countries to destabilize and conquer autonomous outlier countries.
As more like:
Being an autonomous outlier makes you conquerable.
So the ultimate, long-horizon question is not how we should make ourselves independent of the system, because that is a fantasy. We are all constrained by universal gravitation. But instead how we can control and meld the system. The process of struggle. Of Jihad in the Muslim system. Closest Anglosphere theology is "Crusade".
I used to think myself some kind of Anarchist. Thought that the crucible of capitalism could produce technologies (e.g., Solar Panels) that could free people from the torment of the system (this is true), but could then apply without continual integration. But the project of eliminating "unjust, unwarranted hierarchy (but not the just hierarchies!)" is an idealist fantasy not unlike creating contradiction-free speech. Solar Panels are all made in giant massively vertically integrated factories in China. Our regime just imposed a 25% tariff on them.
Obtaining ultimate and universal power is not optional. This power has a defined shape. Communism. It will be a Phase Change of the state of the world.
https://x.com/leecronin/status/1832603599769158126
The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.
The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.
But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons — the modern working class — the proletarians.
Marx
And so on.
Understanding and changing the world without an honest appraisal of Marxism and Materialism is fighting with one hand behind your back.
The differentiated, hierarchical structure of the human body as a Communism of its individual cells, versus yeast-like cancer. The unity of the once independent mitochondria and nucleus to form the eukaryote.
https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2024/04/17/scientists-discover-first-nitrogen-fixing-organelle/
It has all happened before.
The only question is, how do the individual cells of the body feel about their condition?
A bonus on Goethe. Since I mentioned Islam. Not Muslim myself but it is stimulating.
https://medium.com/@SaidAbdulLatif/goethes-embrace-of-islam-7421196b1d88
And Tolstoy.
https://www.honeyfromparadise.com/tolstoy-on-islam/
I think all of it is related to Materialism. Especially if we take Julian Jaynes' conclusions in Origin of Consciousness to be correct.
