Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable
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@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?
The don't have the same functions. Wait to get the whole stuff if money is a problem. But perhaps you don't need some of them.
Enzymedica lipogold: Enzymes to help digestion, specially adapted for lipids, but not only.
Betaine HCL: when protein digestion takes too long. + Help for light boating. Once a day. This product optimizes the action of bile.
Meat must the be eaten preferably at midday when bile secretion is optimal.
EPS curcumin and EPS melissa:
Required first to calm irritation down (IBS). The most important.
Whenever no other drugs functions because of inflamed walls.
Melissa has a brain action too (connection with stress and mental through vagus nerve).
Curcumin has several functions: help and protect liver. Lay inflammation down (only tolerated when in liquid form because curcumin powder has small crystals).
NB: Not so easy to find / buy. In a phytodrugstore or internet. Make a search with French words to see what it looks like.
https://www.monherbo.fr/eps-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac/1117-eps-curcuma-pileje-phytoprevent-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac.html
=> Click on the name to see the functions. In French (translator needed).
From labo Pileje.Note: to facilitate digestion, the rule 2/3 1/3 is advised.
1/3 = a small portion. A small portion of protein when eating starch (potato, pasta).
E.g. 2 eggs with pasta.
No legumes since they contain anti-proteases (enzymes to digest proteins). Green peas and lentils are easier to digest when the digestion is OK. => Rice + peas or lentils = full spectrum of amino acids. Better to let lentils soak the day before, in water. Change the water to cook. No salt before the end of cooking (softer).Always appreciate your detailed posts. Thank you.
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@Mossy found this:
Some studies show it just about negates the value of the milk you have with it, so you probably have to eat extra milk--more than you think--but two quarts of milk takes care of just about everything. — Ray Peat
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@Mossy
The oat bran, I read that a cup of the cooked stuff--it's fairly filling, so a cup is a big serving--it has only 88 calories, where regular oatmeal has maybe 250 or so for the same thing--so it does provide some carbohydrate, but it's strongly buffered by the presence of the higher fiber content. And studies in animals showed that over a long run, you might have to worry about some of the breakdown products of the soluble fibers that can have an estrogenic effect, but in the short run--up to a year or so--its effect is a matter of the bulk and acceleration of the intestine, so it has an anti-estrogen effect for people who have been re-absorbing the estrogen that their liver tries to excrete. — Ray Peat -
@LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Elevated estrogen basically causes all skin conditions, and a quick google search yielded this:
Common skin-related die-off symptoms include rashes, itching, redness, increased sensitivity, acne breakouts, dryneStill no let up of redness, when i come out of the shower my has so much dead skin from the redness trying to heal
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@Samyo what were/are you doing?
honestly it warrants a consultation because the variables are so diffuse.
What I know of your symptoms seems to be pointing toward SIBO and poor liver function. I would keep looking for information regarding that.
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@LetTheRedeemed i do not think coffee and sugar is doing me any good?
Whats outside the peat realm that can help my liver ive exchausted the peat ways with no solution
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@Samyo coffee/sugar may not be good right now then. See how you feel with and without them.
I believe Ray said something like until you get the gut fixed, going after liver/thyroid won’t work well because you will have a continued source of estrogen and serotonin elevation via gut health, impacting liver/thyroid.
Things for liver include t3, aspirin, niacinamide, often in that order.
I’d strongly suggest doing a consultation with Danny Roddy. there’s not a lot he hasn’t seen, and has the experience of hundreds of consults, plus all Ray’s inputs from his consulting time.
He put me on the right track after 2 years floundering in my own efforts
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@LetTheRedeemed well coffee sugar make me feel great...
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@Samyo then why did you say:
i do not think coffee and sugar is doing me any good?
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No it doesn't. It relies on MMC function which is controlled by the ENS which is controlled by...dun dun dun dun....serotonin receptors in the gut
scary stuff. Just because thyroid provides cellular energy does not mean it is also dictating the functioning of every single biomechanical function in the body.. This is the logical fallacy that a lot of Peat proponents use to insert thyroid function into everything and being the deciding factor in everything. It can be a kink in the chain, but it's not the entirety of the chain -
"I believe Ray said something like until you get the gut fixed, going after liver/thyroid won’t work well because you will have a continued source of estrogen and serotonin elevation via gut health, impacting liver/thyroid"
Ray said lots of things about gut health and very little of it makes sense. Estrogen only has a modulatory role in gut transit and gut function in general. There's no way for it to greatly influence or impact homeostasis in the gut. Again with the serotonin shit..you do know that the very thing that allows the intestines to contract and perform a bowel movement rely almost exclusively on serotonin, right? Both the ENS and MMC rely exclusively on multiple 5-HT receptors given that the gut houses of 95% serotonin receptors and produces 90% of serotonin. it's in everything from the enterocytes to the microvilli. The gut does not and cannot function optimally without it. Cascara anthroquinones, the darling of Peats bowel stimulants retards MMC by down regulating serotonin receptors in the gut and can also damages enteric neurons due to how powerfully it causes contractions in intestines. Those painful cow patties it produces after using it for a while and senna for that matter are because the MMC and ENS are not doing what they are supposed to be doing, and they need serotonin receptors to do it. There's not some magical alternate pathway you can tap into through focussing solely on cellular respiration. That's just how it is
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Hi,
What about a re-initializing process, in a soft way when the natural postprandial contractions occurs through the MMC.
I’ve done it.
Just to be clear about the MMC, being a natural movement but in a sleepy phase.
The migrating motor complex (MMC) is an electrical and contractile activity of digestive motility which takes place in the inter-digestive periods (between two meals), and interrupted by food intake. Each MMC is accompanied by an increase in gastric, pancreatic and duodenal secretions. They are thought to serve to evacuate contents in the small intestine between meals, and also to transport bacteria from the small intestine into the colon. An alteration of this phase notably favors the development of chronic bacterial colonization of the small intestine, a source in particular of bloating, diarrhea, or even steatorrhea, of the majority of food intolerances. When contractile activity is low, we then speak of lazy intestines. Support and rehabilitation is often necessary, with a prokinetic.
