Silicon the dietary nutrient
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I'm interested in silicon too now.
I'm wondering whether boiling diatomaceous earth in water and then filtering with coffee filter for example, to keep the water only, could produce a non dangerous way of supplementing it.
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Diatomaceous earth contains other chemicals besides silica. From Wikipedia - Diatomaceous earth
The typical chemical composition of oven-dried diatomaceous earth is 80–90% silica, with 2–4% alumina (attributed mostly to clay minerals), and 0.5–2% iron oxide.[2]
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@NNight I would just eat the foods that are bioavailable in silicon. boiling rocks to make rock tea sounds kind of gross
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What form of silicon were the chickens given in this study?
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Anyone ever used Orgono G5 siliplant Living Silica? It’s a silica supplement. I really liked it when I used it a few years ago before I discovered Peat and Haiduts thoughts on silica so I stopped using it. But I did notice joint improvement and no gut stress issues. This product claims much better silica absorption than from green beans or banana.
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@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:
Anyone ever used Orgono G5 siliplant Living Silica? It’s a silica supplement. I really liked it when I used it a few years ago before I discovered Peat and Haiduts thoughts on silica so I stopped using it. But I did notice joint improvement and no gut stress issues. This product claims much better silica absorption than from green beans or banana.
Test results with monomethylsilanetriol
(MMST) supplementation in healthy adults demonstrated silicon absorption within 30 minutes of ingestion. Surrogate markers of silicon bioavailability showed 64% of the consumed MMST serving was excreted by the subjects compare tp 43% of a cooked green bean serving and <4% for the ripe banana serving. Results available upon request during normal business hours.That was from the product label.
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@DavidPS thanks.
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@NNight I used to mix DE with water then let it settle and only drink the clear water layer. IIRC the silica is turned into a different water-soluble form?
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@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:
Anyone ever used Orgono G5?
Yes, I've used G5 organic silicium. Fine. Thé one from Ireland. Useful if deficient.
I've made a post on my forum on different forms silicium and test from Dr Willems. I can give a link if interested about "the hype" and the different molecules. -
Beer has quite a bit of bioavailable silica:
https://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2010/05/biosil-jarrosil-beer-silicon-experiment.html
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@wrl did you find it useful ?
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@NNight this was many years ago, I don't recall!
As for absorption, silica does not absorb as silica but rather as orthosilicic acid. This is produced by the reaction of water on silica, though the presence of acid increases this conversion.
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The absorption of silica is very poor so I found the best way to take it is by adding [DE] to water to begin with. I put a large spoonful in a gallon of water and let it settle out. Once it settles out you cannot taste it. The water will dissolve a tiny amount of the silica to form the orthosilicic acid. The more pure the water is to begin with the more it will dissolve.
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By adding it to a large volume of water you will also get more in to your system as opposed to supplements. If you take a capsule of silica the vast majority will never be absorbed and will just pass through your system. When added to water and drunk throughout the day you will absorb a little each time you drink your water. So in the long run you will end up with more silica entering the bloodstream for use by the body. -
@dapose they determine bioavailability by measuring excretion (urinary?), if less is excreted they say it is less bioavailable. It sounds like they are assuming that when the kidneys are excreting more that means more made its way into the blood. Yet what if the form in banana is actually absorbed and taken up by the cell more, therefore less is available for excretion. Would have to measure feces levels and compare with urinary. When urinary levels rise feces levels should fall and vice versa. Probably not worth running with this further analysis, just a thought.
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I'm using this currently, been using it for about a month. 70% silica content. Specifically for it's hair benefits. I think it's helping the vellus hair growth regrowth I've been experiencing.
I take it as supplement and I put it in my hair growth shampoo.Also noticed my shits have been a lot better, seemed to start happening after I started taking this. Nothing else in the diet changed.
I mean, think about it. Gorillas eat this shit, it's the bulk of their diet. Look how massive, muscular and healthy they are. Hair growing all over.
Sometimes it really is as simple as looking at nature and drawing a logical conclusion. Good for monke = good for me.
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@LucH said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:
@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:
Anyone ever used Orgono G5?
Yes, I've used G5 organic silicium. Fine. Thé one from Ireland. Useful if deficient.
I've made a post on my forum on different forms silicium and test from Dr Willems. I can give a link if interested about "the hype" and the different molecules.That could be interesting information to have. Maybe it's on your forum post, but if not do you have an opinion about the silica in Fiji water and are you familiar with the make your own silica water, which supposedly is the same as Fiji?
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I am buying a bunch of non-alcohol beer. I know beer is estrogenic yet with all the stuff opposing estrogen we do maybe it's a net benefit. Beer and pork chicharón is a good combo. Some chicharóns aren't fried in extra fat and don't have a lot of fat attached themselves so might not have a lot of PUFA. Beer and salty masa chips sounds good too. Maybe some apple gelatine dessert after.
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@LucH link sir/ma'am
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2744664/pdf/ukmss-27619.pdf
"Bananas have a high Si content (about 5·5 mg/100 g), but preliminary evidence suggests that
Si absorption is negligible (about 2 %) compared, for example, with green beans, which are
high in absorbable Si (about 2·5 mg Si/100 g and about 50 % absorbed)(7).""After correcting for differences in ingested Si dose from the different Si-containing sources,
the percentage of the dose excreted in urine over the 6 h period was highest from MMST
(64·0 (SE 5·3) %; range 30·4-105 %) and alcohol-free beer (60·1 (SE 0·8) %; range 57·2-62·0
%), followed by green beans (43·6 (SE 14·9) %; range: 22·1-102 %), orthosilicic acid (43·1 (SE
3·6) %; range 30·0-50·5 %) and ChOSA (16·5 (SE 6·7) %; range 8·57-27·9 %) (Fig. 4).
Bananas (3·9 (SE 2·0) %; range 0·05-11·7 %), magnesium trisilicate BP (3·7 (SE 0·6) %; range
1·46-7·23 %) and colloidal silica (1·2 (SE 0·4) %; range 0·96-1·62 %) provided very low
increases in urinary Si (Fig. 4). Although the latter group only included three subjects, the
consistently low percentage absorption indicates that the results are robust."ChOSA (choline stabilized silicon) being such low excretion listed above is why I question urinary excretion as a measure of bioavailability.
