Why didn't Peating™ work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?
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Appreciate the whole thought MD but this in particular.
@Milk-Destroyer said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:he seems to have switched to a more manic guy post pandemic or even just changed person entirely
It wasn't pleasant, I'll give him that.
if "charlie" is even one person
And to be fair. I could be more than one, metaphorically. Before I had a handle on it. Now I just have to be careful and remember.
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@Metabolist said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:He clearly failed to "detox" thoroughly before trying the official Ray Peat diet.
I think I did this a lot at the beginning actually, in a way. And I needed the energy to know. And it hurt a bit.
What issues was/is he having? I know he would bounce around from extreme to extreme but I don't remember what he was trying to cure. Whatever it is must be pretty severe.
I'd call it complex before I'd call it severe. And probably not uncommon.
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many people are very sick and they arrive at one of these forums. They often don't get better. They may get worse. They get older.
Charlie became utterly convinced he had knowledge that was right, and is right, and nobody else's knowledge is right. This is a religious view of science.
I'm hoping things work for him. I really like Charlie a great deal and hope he is doing great.
I don't believe in this whole vitamin A theory. But if you see my X account you'll see that others are equally convinced about the keto fad as being the ultimate. They see everyone sick because they eat carbs. It is EXACTLY the same.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster which is you twitter formerly known as X account?
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there's a post where he said something like "the Ray Peat diet destroys the liver, and then the intestines...improve the liver, and that improves thyroid."
But there is no Peat diet.
Secondly how would Peaty foods destroy the liver? If someone eats loads of sugar every day maybe, or, loads of saturated fat, etc. But this just goes back to there being no Peat diet so there's no protocol.In some ways it can be dangerous information to anyone not savvy enough to do their own testing and experimentation. Everyone reaches their limits in different ways but some people seem to take hits easier than others, another interesting part of the Peat spectrum of adaptation. There isn't really "maladaptation," there's only adaptation (in all aspects of health and life).
@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:I don't believe in this whole vitamin A theory. But if you see my X account you'll see that others are equally convinced about the keto fad as being the ultimate. They see everyone sick because they eat carbs. It is EXACTLY the same.
This seems accurate because if he was taking a really rash view of Peat's ideas then he might think that destroying the liver is necessary to purify it. Which seems ridiculous. If anything...reading more about different vitamin and mineral absorption periods, blood sugar stabilization, body fat composition, etc., all of these things are not supposed to change rapidly. The body has such intelligent wiring and feedback systems, to put it bluntly, that we're just trying to listen to it and drive it, not recreate it from scratch (which to me a lot of Peaters get trapped trying to do with supplements, and other rigidities, etc). In other words, healing is possible but it's a long view not a rapid program that can be forced, imo.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:But if you see my X account you'll see that others are equally convinced about the keto fad as being the ultimate
Whats your twitter?
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:But if you see my X account you'll see that others are equally convinced about the keto fad as being the ultimate. They see everyone sick because they eat carbs. It is EXACTLY the same.
I agree. There's a pattern here. Probably something they all have in common. Something that may rub off, if you spend too much time thinking in their direction or talking to them. And you're not careful about it.
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@Corngold said in Why didn't Peating
work for Charlie of the Ray Peat Forum dot com?:Secondly how would Peaty foods destroy the liver? If someone eats loads of sugar every day maybe, or, loads of saturated fat, etc. But this just goes back to there being no Peat diet so there's no protocol.
I don't know. But TCM has interesting things to say about the relationship between our organs.
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I am anonymous so I won't be putting out my X (Twitter) handle.
What I meant was, if you see the "tweets" I see in my feed, you see how many doctors and so-called experts tout the low carb, keto and carnivore diets as being curative, and they sound exactly like Charlie.
I've been coaching people long enough to have lost faith in any ultimate solution and not be confident like that. I encourage people to run experiments.
I've just found that low carb doesn't work for people and makes things worse in the long run. In the short run they seem to get great results.
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I am anonymous so I won't be putting out my X (Twitter) handle.
The name on his passport is literally Mr Ecstatic Hamster @sushi_is_cringe.
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Regardless of the guru, if what you’re eating is making you feel unwell, fat, etc, you need to adjust. I think he missed that.
That forum is irrational now. Everything was about low toxin, but now it completely revolves around popping massive doses of otc vitamins and minerals. There are now threads about chain smoking and smashing junk food. Sort of surreal really.
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@Mallard6146 tbh this sounds like 95% of "Peaters"
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That forum is irrational now. Everything was about low toxin, but now it completely revolves around popping massive doses of otc vitamins and minerals. There are now threads about chain smoking and smashing junk food. Sort of surreal really.
Welcome to earth.
"We all know that @T_R_Heisenberg eats fried food like a high schooler, smokes like a chimney, and doesn't exercise at all. But that he has solved all his health issues and keeps improving."
"So now that I can eat whatever I want, I'm making up for lost time and I simply do not care one bit lol.
I never got to eat like this when I was younger without feeling like death. So I'm living it up."
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Are we talking about original Charlie, new Charlie or one of his split personalities?
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One guy in a tricky world rf.
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@ThinPicking hell yeah. In theory DrRayPeatarianism is just functional nutrition. It should free up the eating habits and allow the eater to use intuition to correct suboptimal adaptations.
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There is a theory that this was due to methionine. It isn't well known even amongst Peaters that milk depletes glycine and is excessively high in methionine and all the vitamin A people said they had problems when they were consuming lots of milk.
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/vitamin-a-or-methionine-adverse-reaction.50563/
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There is a theory that
the vitamin A people
There seems to be a piece missing jman.
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@ThinPicking that honestly sounds based. I already have egcg that I use as a mouth wash sometimes.
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I noticed a few days ago when I visited for the first time in months that the "low toxin" labels were nowhere to be seen on the front page. Today there's two, and one is a thread about how low vitamin A diet made him hypothyroid. Can't make this shit up.
I guess the euphoria is over, and none of them will admit they were wrong
Yikes.Admin probably desperately searching for a new holy diet.
