The Dental Care Thread
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Nice thread. I started making my own toothpaste a week ago, coconut oil + sodium bicarbonate. Just one week using it I can already feel the difference, my teeth feel stronger and my mouth overall healthier. It's stupidly easy to make the toothpaste at home, heat the coconut oil if it's in solid state, once its liquid, add sodium bicarbonate and if you want mint essential oil to give it that classic freshness. Then put everything in a cold recipient to help it cool down faster and straight to the fridge. Once it's solid again I put it in a crystal sealed jar and there you go.
It was important for me to get rid of those chemicals.
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The Ellie Philips routine has made a huge difference in my oral health; most Peaters are afraid of the fluoride though.
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recently I started chewing cloves, just chewing one or two at a time and swishing the bits around my mouth
Ill keep chewing/swishing until the saliva is too much and I have to spit it out
Its a very powerful antibiotic for the mouth, cleared up my white tongue and makes my teeth feel squeaky clean afterwards
I found it to uplift my mood and have a slight stimulatory effect as well
Some people might have objections to the eugenol in cloves but one or two cloves do not have enough to be dangerous in anyway but its just enough to be an effective antibiotic -
@HyperTorless2 Any good chewing mastig gum link ?
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Lots of xylitol gums have many additives. I find it easier and cheaper just to buy pure xylitol and swish it around my mouth for a few minutes. I think for maximum benefits one should try and do this several times a day. It can also be swallowed and may have positive, anti-microbial effects in the gut.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31390800/: Xylitol has been widely documented to have dental health benefits, such as reducing the risk for dental caries. Here we report on other health benefits that have been investigated for xylitol. In skin, xylitol has been reported to improve barrier function and suppress the growth of potential skin pathogens. As a non-digestible carbohydrate, xylitol enters the colon where it is fermented by members of the colonic microbiota; species of the genus Anaerostipes have been reported to ferment xylitol and produce butyrate. The most common Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium species do not appear to be able to grow on xylitol. The non-digestible but fermentable nature of xylitol also contributes to a constipation relieving effect and improved bone mineral density. Xylitol also modulates the immune system, which, together with its antimicrobial activity contribute to a reduced respiratory tract infection, sinusitis, and otitis media risk. As a low caloric sweetener, xylitol may contribute to weight management. It has been suggested that xylitol also increases satiety, but these results are not convincing yet. The benefit of xylitol on metabolic health, in addition to the benefit of the mere replacement of sucrose, remains to be determined in humans. Additional health benefits of xylitol have thus been reported and indicate further opportunities but need to be confirmed in human studies.
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new dental care alpha: GC Tooth Mousse
active ingredient is CPP-ACP (Recaldent), a complex formed from casein and calcium/phosphate ions in an ideal ratio to remineralise teeth
can allegedly remineralise white spot lesions, and early stage of tooth decay traditionally thought to be irreversible
Ive been using it this past week and my teeth feel stronger/less porous, seems good so far
some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum) but if it works as well as people say Im willing to overlook them, plus you spit it out anyway youre not supposed to swallow
its also flouride free if thats a concern, although it should be used after brushing with flouride toothpaste for optimal results
just found out theres also Recaldent chewing gum, which might be worth looking into, in light of that study showing the efficacy of calcium/K2 gum -
@ah oh I wanted to add, I discovered this because I wanted an alternative to nanohydroxyapatite, since microscopic shards of nha possibly accumulate in organs and cause damage
cppacp is nontoxic -
Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?
These with a number of the above suggestions have been helpful for me.
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@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:
GC Tooth Mousse
It sounds promising, but it contains a few disturbing ingredients like Silicon Dioxide, Titanium Dioxide, Guar Gum, and p-hydroxybenzoate.
"Silicon dioxide is basically powdered glass and easily injures the intestine." ~Haidut
A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
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There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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What do. It doesn’t hurt or bleed, not sensitive to temperature. Neglected teeth for a while. Depressed and crazy tobacco and nicotine consumption, cigarettes, snus, cigars. -
@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:
Important addition: chewing mastic gum is proven to kick out the bad bacteria out of your mouth. It can also helps with remineralization plaque and gingivitis
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1902/jop.2003.74.4.501 , https://doi.org/10.2319/122205-455r.1 , https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/doi/full/10.5555/20093184339).Lmao...most of those studies are showing a 4% and less decrease in gingival plaque indexes. I'd never touch the stuff but Chlorhexidine, has shown inhibition of GPI of almost 100% in some studies. "Statistical significance" doesn't mean what you would assume it means in scientific gobbledygook
They don't even have a proposed mechanism for it, so it's probably just increased saliva production from mastication. You can get the same benefit from any other gum, or cheese. Cheese because of it releasing histamine which increases muscarinic receptors will far surpass any gum for salivary secretions
I haven't seen any studies to support it, but i would imagine that pine tar/resin based chewing gums might be quite effective. Pine tars and resins can actually prevent the ability for cells to produce abnormally e.g mast cell degranulation(gum swelling etc), so not as basic in function as a regular antifungal/bacterial, which means there is little chance that anaerobic gram negative bacteria can become resistant to it
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@HyperTorless2 said in The Dental Care Thread:
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At one point a few years back I was chewing mastic gum everyday while working out, and I went to the dentist and they told me I had really good teeth. I think there was a connection because I never really had good teeth hygiene other than brushing every night.
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It was a good article
Thank you
If you want to suggest a good dental clinic in Richmond Hill, Canada, I will introduce you to Sunshine dentistry -
@Buckian said in The Dental Care Thread:
Does anyone here use blotting toothbrushes?
I have tried those, but it was too time-consuming and tedious of a process. I now use a water-floss device instead.
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Nice thread, thanks for the references.
Everyone should read Price, not just N&PD but his other works as well. He really was such a passionate researcher- I don't think American dentistry has had a mind like his since he passed.
He has a good quote: "These activators have a role which, in some regards, might be compared to that of an ignition system of a gas engine in relation to the utilization of the fuel." Activators are vit K, A, and D.
Price noted a 4x increase in dental caries during winter and spring vs summer and fall. He attributed this to seasonal depletion of nutrients, especially Vit D which has been established since the 1930s to be heavily influential in the development of cavities.
I've never had serious dental issues but I will say that I've noticed a shift in my gums after consuming more K2. I see people all the time obsess with their teeth but pay almost no attention to their gums. The result is you get people with these nice ivory white veneers or hour-long "teeth strengthening" routines and their gums bleed every time they eat a sandwich with bread that's a little too crispy.
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It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.
I've been tempted to run some tests to see whether supplements actually have the amount of material they say they do. When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.
Greift nur hinein ins volle Menschenleben! Ein jeder lebt's, nicht vielen ist's bekannt, und wo ihr's packt, da ist's interessant.
Ray Peat first-ever interview(July 1987 on UofO Student Radio)
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@JulofEnoch said in The Dental Care Thread:
It is almost impossible to find things near me that don't have dioxides, stearates, microcellulose extracts, etc.
Yeah, it's hard, but I noticed that in recent years there is a positive trend of "clean label products" i.e. some novel companies are trying to minimize additives in supplements, at least in the EU.
When you've got five different add-ins, then I question how much of your product is actual product.
Good point!
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For anyone who has a dental issue they are trying to fix holistically rather than the dental route, I have stumbled upon a regimen which definitely works, the bads news is I don't know which one is doing the work or if they are synergistic (likely they are but also likely just 1 or 2 of these things would have sufficed).
This was my post a month ago: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1492/tips-for-naturally-healing-a-dental-pocket-cavity
What I did:
-Coconut oil pulling in morning (just swish in mouth for 2-5 mins whilst im preparing breakfast)
-Xylitol gum (I found one with good ingredients; and I spit out the first big load of flavour/etc)
-Chewing cloves
-Chewing Mastic gum
-Salt water swish and gargle 3-4 times per day and after food
-In the evening black seed oil pulling (again nothing crazy; few mins of swishing it around focusing on the tooth I was having issues with).
-5mg of K2 MK4 per day
-Daily Flossing, Interdental brushes, and teeth brushingNot only did the above regimen appear to have fixed my issue; it also cleared my tongue dramatically so it's perfectly pink in the morning now, and I would always have one or two small bits of bleeding when flossing on specific teeth, just a little bit, but I realized writing this that has 100% gone now too.
Yes the above regimen is a hassle; but it's worth noting Peat himself appears to have had many tooth issues. This regimen has avoided me (so far, knock on wood) dental work which would involve x-rays, and cutting under the gum to get to the dental pocket, and the plan now is to phase back and see how I go, hopefully identify the 80:20 of my above regimen.
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@ah said in The Dental Care Thread:
some of the inactive ingredients arent great (titanium dioxide, guar gum)
Seems it also contains some phosphoric acid!
Maybe a sodium bicarbonate swish after using this product?
