New "Mission" of RPF
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@risingfire Fair points. Personally, I'm still interested in hearing what everyone here thinks about more conspiratorial hypotheses. Acknowledging the adage about "never attribute to malice to what can be explained by stupidity," to my eyes, what's taking place at RPF looks like an orchestrated black-washing of Ray's ideas and 'our' Peat-inspired community. I would like to encourage everyone to continue speculating and bringing any new evidence to this board about Charlie's identity, motives and possibly hidden forces driving what we see happening there -- including @yerrag's hypothesis alongside others.
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@ilovethesea didn't Charlie say he gained 30 pounds of muscle in a year or so? If that's the case, which I severely doubt, what did he weigh before.
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@risingfire I think he said he used to be overweight/obese.
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@T-3 my only speculation is money. There's a point where you stick with the basics in a "Peatarian" lifestyle. I use thyroid, vitamin E, dhea, magnesium and occasionally other things such as dht, androsterone and diamox. It's possible Charlie felt that market was saturated and wanted to provide a new market with low vitamin A approved supplements to increase revenue and take his business in another direction.
As far as his identity, I do not care that much to look into him
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@dan-dominic let me clarify. I was referring to Garrett
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I filed a medical malpractice complaint against Garrett Smith with the Naturopathic Medical Board in Arizona. Consider that the leading cause of blindness in children worldwide is lack of vitamin A. Further consider some dumbasses at the forum are now removing all A from their young children. I don't know how long these investigations take, but will report back as soon as I hear anything.
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not making a whole new thread for the topic but the peatcoin bullshit is disgusting too, using Peat's name and image like that is gross. What the fuck is with all these grifters coming out after his death all desperately trying to profit off of his name. Not using his name and likeness for all these money making ventures is like the bare minimum respect one should show for him and his work.
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Fair and measured sir. The very concept of naturopathic's probably needs some protection from collateral damage. And while there's licensing, this board should take a look.
Thank you for it.
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Ive felt quite powerless watching this unfold.
Didn’t know this good intent would bring such emotion from me.
Like a true sigh of relief.So-
Thank you.
Regardless of the outcomePlease keep us posted as able.
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It's possible Charlie felt that market was saturated and wanted to provide a new market with low vitamin A approved supplements to increase revenue and take his business in another direction.
The thing that doesn't make any sense is why he would alienate a good part of his existing membership and existing or potential customers with the hair-trigger banning and hostile rhetoric about Ray"s work. Last I looked, online readers were on the decline.
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@ThinPicking The whole thing looks like a program to me. Make naturopaths and gun-toting white dudes look insane and dangerous. And make some gun-toting Christians sick while you are at it. To boot, destroy the legacy of Ray Peat and make him look like an incompetent dummy whack job.
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@risingfire He only said that recently if I'm not mistaken.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ThinPicking The whole thing looks like a program to me. Make naturopaths and gun-toting white dudes look insane and dangerous. And make some gun-toting Christians sick while you are at it. To boot, destroy the legacy of Ray Peat and make him look like an incompetent dummy whack job.
Yeah, lol, somebody who heard of Peat thru say Mercola looks at the RPF and sees all this crazy stuff maligning Peat and referencing this completely deranged idiot. Better stick with the 'real' doctors.
Personally, my suspicions about Dr. Peat's death have been resurrected. Smith's work appears on RPF several years ago and purportedly some people see amazing results straight away but those of us who ignored it did just fine and didn't see this coming. That whole thread was probably full of disinformation. Then Smith finds a month old tweet about Peat which he uses to malign him sometime before his death and likely when his health was declining. Then Ray Peat dies mysteriously and we all know what unbelievable things have happened after that.
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@C-Mex good question. It's possible business was slowing down. And he thought this was a possible way to cause traffic to RPF and thus to his store. I wonder if @haidut might have a better idea
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@Creuset I believe he mentioned it a few years ago. Possibly in 2021 or 2022
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex good question. It's possible business was slowing down. And he thought this was a possible way to cause traffic to RPF and thus to his store. I wonder if @haidut might have a better idea.
I'm just not buying it. 'Plausible deniability' is what I see. Perhaps I wouldn't be thinking these things if I hadn't become completely convinced of just how corrupt everything really is.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
The thing that doesn't make any sense is why he would alienate a good part of his existing membership and existing or potential customers with the hair-trigger banning and hostile rhetoric about Ray"s work. Last I looked, online readers were on the decline.
RPF is probably seeing a lift in traffic from Mercola and social media mentions raising awareness of Peat. However, I don’t see the subscription model taking off from these new users - people don’t pay $7/month just to join a forum (especially when Garrett has his own programs), and all the religious content is extremely off-putting. It was only the existing base that was willing to pay Charlie, and all those people have been driven out. If you look at the timestamps of posts it is not very busy over there now.
I also can’t imagine that Life Giving Store is doing better. He doesn’t even promote it at the top of the forum anymore. And Garrett never mentions it, he has his own supplements.
According to Charlie’s twitter in 2020 he had financial problems and was in “so much debt”. But now he never talks about that... in fact he said in one thread recently that he willingly destroyed $50k worth of inventory for Life Giving store.
So what happened - did Charlie get paid off to deliberately tank the forum and smear Ray’s name? Nothing else makes sense here.
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@ilovethesea Charlie claims he destroyed $50k of inventory, but this is not especially believable. We can't tell whether anything he says is fact or fiction. Maybe Charlie is just not very smart. He believes God is coming to save the US. Charlie believes he is part of the saving, the nutritional part, so Charlie has a god complex.
"A god complex is a pattern in which an individual believes they have great power, ability, infallibility, influence, and are superior to others. It often refers to behaviors associated with narcissistic personality disorder or mania" https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-god-complex-7112056#:~:text=A god complex is a,narcissistic personality disorder or mania."For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." applies to Charlie
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule"
quotes are H.L. Mencken
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Seems like Garrett turned to promoting himself online since his in-person reviews are terrible https://www.yelp.ca/biz/garrett-smith-naturopathic-medicine-of-southern-arizona-tucson
What’s funny is he has a bunch of 5 star reviews on RateMDs all from the same week in January 2024. He didn’t even try to make them not look fake! https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/3317452/Dr-Garrett-Smith-Tucson-AZ.html/
