Has anyone improved their health by peating
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@lykos said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
i am wondering if there are people who regained their health by peating.
With MAHA and health-fluencer personalities it's now pretty common to hear about plastics, seed oils, emulsifiers and additives. This is also where Peat's work has some of its biggest impact - covering the industrialization of food. This should be a big first step to anyone.
Peat was not an influencer, grifter or guru. He provided great research and resources, but we have to put it together for ourselves. I don't know if he said it, but I'm sure he would advocate avoiding binary or black and white thinking.
Some people ignore all material and physical signs and concentrate on spiritual health. Others neglect spiritual understanding and obsess about physical and material health. If this were a bell-curve, at this point in time, I would say extremes are in the center and the outliers are dual integration of spiritual and physical/material health. My evidence? Keto, carnivore, vegetarianism, vegan, etc: all of these trends for over 10-20 years follow from extremes. Same with traditional Christianity, Buddhist or yoga retreats, fundamentalist Islam, paganism, etc. Same with politics. Almost every spiritual and health paradigm since the 1960s has become extreme and cultish. Some of the Peatsphere is cultish, but some is anti-cult.
We can't choose physical or spiritual because both are very important. Reading about alternative medicine, mind-body connections, TCM, GNM, and other areas of research new and old that are not accepted in the fairly recent dogmatic western health system is a must as is the Peat bibliography. Maybe it is all to be taken with a grain of salt, but I think the other option is to "not try," and not attempt things, which is failure by default.
I had tried vegetarianism, whole food/raw type eating,
eventually found success in carnivore-esque and Peat / mediterranean eating. It's just a total wilderness in this society - nobody who knows nutrition well teaches it, and what is taught is usually private industry / pharmaceutical-driven bullshit.I don't know if we can "regain" our health, or "regain" what was lost. I doubt this. However, we can either rebuild, or, give up and decay. I think we all want to rebuild. Even better: "build." Scrap the past, never look back, take risks.
I'll also note that for many in the Peat-sphere the common thread is of never having felt "good" health in the first place. Whether it be stress, hypothyroidism, obesity, etc., the modern environment is wreaking havoc on natural being, health and beauty, and that's abundantly clear.
"Health" is not a binary. Nobody is ever finished improving their life until maybe death.
But, on the material side?
- coffee can be better enjoyed with milk and sugar
- pufa should be limited
- drink real milk
- get fiber, get micronutrients and minerals
- don't avoid red meat and seafood
Same reason I largely quit eating things like bacon - because of nitrates, pufa / fat quality, and peanut butter (oxalates, mufa/pufa, etc). Both always gives me headaches / tiredness and stomach acid. It took some Peat research to see and think about fats and macronutrients in a new way.
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@Corngold How old are you? Some of my engineering college classmates are feeling exactly the same as this too (super tired every day) and I suspect it's more widespread than we think
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Milk and fruit heavy diet is what I arrived at through Peat and has improved my hypothyroidism by like 90%. Like imagine having 5 times as much energy per day than previously, without significant stress hormones. It's the difference between wallowing in dread as default state vs being able to do significant things in my life.
Nowadays I replace a lot of the milk with eggs and butter but the underlying principle and the result is still the same.
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@Corngold said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
I don't know if we can "regain" our health, or "regain" what was lost. I doubt this.
We absolutely can—I’m living proof—but I can understand doubting it when you haven’t experienced it for yourself…yet.
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@ThinPicking any restrictive diet will result in deficiencies long term, peat principles are important only if you understand physiology especially your own otherwise is useless and a meme diet which will cause problems long term
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@Corngold said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Peat was not an influencer, grifter or guru.
I agree peat was probably the only person in the health sphere who was not grifting for money unlike danny roady and haidut and many others. To my understanding he spread his autism for biology for altruistic purposes.
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if by peat diet you mean the neurotic weird stuff some people on here do or the twitter people are doing, then no, im not doing the peat diet
I eat a normal diet including bread and pasta and convenience foods
I just avoid pufa oils and skew more to low fat even though I don't do neurotic low fat diets except as experimentsto be honest that now fat guy matt stone who did the "eat for heat" stuff before he went off the radar and got obese actually influenced me almost as much as peat's work, because matt's writings influenced me not to be neurotic about diet
I used to restrict calories to stay lean and it just made me feel bad . there was a period of getting fatter at first when stopping that but it evened out after awhile of getting high calorie adapted.
I changed a lot positively in physical health but also mentally, sometimes I interact with people and am amazed how offputting some of my behavior must have been which was similar to theirs, as them behaving in such a way is super off-putting to me.
these people doing restrictive peat diets dont really get the high nutrient cycling and calorie intake needed to have robust health , you can see it in the things they post, they're not really "normal" (normal not normie), they have weird inclinations and weird ways of talking to/about people.
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@sunsunsun said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
I eat a normal diet including bread and pasta and convenience foods
I just avoid pufa oils and skew more to low fat even though I don't do neurotic low fat diets except as experimentsThats the normie healthy diet, nothing to do with peat about it. For peatard neuroticism check the video of danny roady of what i eat in a day.
Best diet for your physiology is discovered by doing genetic test and the modifying your diet according to your lifestyle. Here is common knowledge that seedoils and processed foods are bad for you and should be avoided.When i see the average russian of middle to upper class they are healthy energetic and attractive.
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@lykos haidut is not grifting for money, you must not know what he does to come to that conclusion. number
1, ignoring the fact he pays for all the research studies himself, having a supplement company and selling desirable products is not a grift or a scam or anything like that. implying that having a business that makes money is grifting is insane, when the products he offers are in-demand and people buy them of their own accord.
- now not ignoring the fact he funds his own research studies, that makes the supplement business he runs even less chance of being a grift, because he is diverting some of his income to pursue research. on freakin' vitamins and un-patentable hormones. this latter point is even more proof that your assertion he is grifting is insane, because what grift is there in literally paying for research studies to publish in journals (which the researcher has to PAY to get their paper submitted in) for FREAKIN BIOTIN AND THIAMINE AND NIACINAMIDE. where is the grift here? You think the FDA is gonna grant haidut a monopoly on sales of b vitamins?
get a grip nigga
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@lykos you didn't even read my post because you told me to check out petard neuroticism when I specifically mentioned I am aware of this neuroticism already in my post. so it's not worth continuing a conversation with as you're not even listening
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@sunsunsun Learn to read, i pointed out that your diet is normal diet meaning low neuroticism.
@lykos haidut is not grifting for money, you must not know what he does to come to that conclusion. number
Haidut found his niche in the peatsphere to sell his boner pills, most of his supplements are overpriced garbage, do i need to remind your of his vitamin k2 solvent oil.
What was haiduts contribution to science or the world? he simply copy paste studies that affirm peat's theories and his rat cancer study is simply an experiment based on one of peat's theory about oxidative metabolism down to the same b vitamins recommended by Ray, he has not one original idea in his head and he's not a scientist just a peat sycophant who sells supplements
Scroll in the old peatforum and search for haiduts post on how to regrow hair and stop hairloss, all the proof you need that he is a charlatan.
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@lykos said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
What was haiduts contribution to science or the world? he simply copy paste studies that affirm peat's theories and his rat cancer study is simply an experiment based on one of peat's theory about oxidative metabolism down to the same b vitamins recommended by Ray, he has not one original idea in his head and he's not a scientist just a peat sycophant who sells supplements
I wouldn't know half the stuff I do if not for him. There is tons of value in being a good educator/communicator and he corroborates Peat's ideas with newer studies (ex: https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/pyrucet-liquid-ethyl-pyruvate-aceatoacetate-mix.27487/). Plus where else can you get his obscure compounds in quantities small enough to try once?
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@engineer sign up to a biology class, reading post on the internet without having a uniformed understanding of biology is asinine.
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@lykos said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
any restrictive diet will result in deficiencies long term
Bioenergetics isn't a diet and the only (temporary) deficiency here is your cognitive function.
if you understand physiology especially your own
Yes... that's part of the point.
Lykos, somewhere inside. You know why you're here.
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@ThinPicking said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Bioenergetics isn't a diet and the only (temporary) deficiency here is your cognitive function.
you will be crying in a few years on the lowtoxinforum about your "bio energetics" after you destroy your body subhuman.
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@LucH You are the only intelligent user on this forum, i agree.I would argue the first thing you should do before starting any diet is check your hormones minerals and bvitamins for any deficiencies and do a dna test for mutations, some one for example with mthfr would need specific diet curated to his individual needs instead of just eating foods to optimize carburation.
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@lykos you are seething and possibly also malding
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I regained my health, in part, by following Ray’s work and my mum saw a regression in her cancer by following the general diet that Ray told me in an email exchange he recommended, along with thyroid and progesterone supplementation. I’ve written in depth on the old RPF about our experiences and numerous diagnoses, most of which were nonsense, but to summarize:
I was an active hiker in my 20s and without explanation began losing weight rapidly until I was done to 30 kg and at 29, while lifting half a watermelon, I felt my spine collapse under me. Within seconds I had fractured 12 vertebrae, 8 of which compressed, due to undiagnosed thyroid disease that caused advanced osteoporosis, leaving me almost 4" shorter and unable to walk. With the severity of my injury, I was at risk of paralysis if I fractured again and specialists told me not to expect to get better, let alone climb mountains again. Craving quite a bit of dairy at the time, I averaged 4 liters worth of raw milk/homemade yogurt daily, and the rest of my diet consisted of raw cheese, eggs, gelatinous broth, honey, fruit, greens, and smaller amounts of shellfish and pastured beef. Within months I had gained back all the muscle that had atrophied, and within a year I had greatly increased my bone density, going from a DEXA score of -6.7 to -3.6 (for reference, osteoporosis begins at -3.5). During this time, I also learned how to walk again, however, I was still at risk of fracturing, still in a lot of pain, amenorrheic, intolerant to many foods and having gallbladder attacks (doctors wanted to remove it, but I refused). I found Ray’s work about a year later, pressed my doctor to order a thyroid panel and hydrogen breath test, was diagnosed with thyroid disease, SIBO and gastritis, began supplementing thyroid (standardized NDT), got my period back, eliminated the SIBO, healed my gallbladder and intestines, gained back 2 inches of height and my health, and proved the specialists wrong—I’m climbing mountains again.
As for my mum’s experience, she had a biopsy in July of 2020 and was diagnosed with uterine cancer so she upped her thyroid dose by a grain, high dosed Progest-E (a bottle a week) and followed a diet consisting of mainly milk, cheese, eggs, liverwurst, gelatinous meat, carrot salad, fruit juice and sweetened coffee. A week later, in preparation for her upcoming surgery, further testing was performed and revealed that the cancer was worse than the previous biopsy showed—it was in the surrounding walls too—and she was informed that she would likely need chemo and radiation. She continued with the diet, high dosing Progest-E, and despite doctors trying to scare her into dropping her dose, the extra grain of thyroid, and when the surgeons went to remove her uterus 6 weeks later, they were shocked to find her walls were clean—there was no trace of cancer to be found—and she didn’t need any further intervention.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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@sunsunsun no an argument retard
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@lykos I haven't got ill in 4 years. That is the most notable effect on my health.
