11KT - 11-keto-Testosterone

bio3nergetic

@engineer Thanks. I think those main effects are fine, when 7-keto and other downstream metabolites are taken care of by the system, when in good health /metabolic status; controlled in other words. My earlier caution is precisely why Peat also didn't favor these metabolites much as supplemental. So I say to you guys, be careful.

Mauritio

@engineer No I haven't ordered. I have some other things to try before. But it's definitely on my list.
Let us know how it goes!

engineer

@Mauritio Ordered! It should arrive in a few days.

What other things were you going to try out?

Mauritio

@engineer I've ordered phytol, which also has androgenic properties.
And maybe vitex Agnus castus and tetrahydrocurcumin.

engineer

@Mauritio ok, I've now received the bottle.

First impressions:

The measured dropper system is nice but different to Idealabs where it's by drop, while here it goes in 0.25mL increments.
The smell is terrible, like hospital disinfectant bad. However, it seems to have a slight aroma of something good added.
The liquid is clear and slightly thicker than the Idealabs ethanol equivalent. This makes it better when applying because it doesn't want to flow as much on the skin.
I couldn't decide how much to use (it's $70 for a small bottle) so I started with 0.25mL on my inner elbow like I've done with Idealabs supplements in the past. If we believe the concentration then this should be 20mg.
Due to the formula with tons of added ingredients (but with overall structure similar to the Idealabs version once again) it's possible the absorption is good enough to not leave visible crystals on the skin. I can't see any other than a slight shimmer even with a flashlight.
I can't report any anabolic or androgenic effects yet because I only put it on a few minutes ago.

Now, the big question is whether it actually contains 11 keto T or not. Is there some way I could test it without spectroscopy like getting actual lab rats and trying it on them?

alfredoolivas

@engineer said in 11KT - 11-keto-Testosterone:

Due to the formula with tons of added ingredients (but with overall structure similar to the Idealabs version once again) it's possible the absorption is good enough to not leave visible crystals on the skin. I can't see any other than a slight shimmer even with a flashlight.

great report.

Mauritio

@engineer thanks for the update . Let us know how it goes.

engineer

I'm now trying a simple 1mL a day with 0.5mL rubbed on each arm. If we're to believe the concentration of 85mg/mL then that should be 85mg a day, but let's say the actual absorbed amount is something low like 40mg. If 11kT is roughly equivalent to regular T then that's a pretty good amount. I'll try this until at at least Tuesday (4 days in total) and see what happens then because at that point there is a different, closely related hormone supplement I'm considering trying.

Note that from many other forum posts, it looks like others are often using 1.5mL daily. Maybe I should try that instead?

Also, here's something interesting. I also take 40mg of 6 keto p4 a day which costs $40/(360mg/40mg) = $4.44. 1.5mL of 11 keto T would be $70/(30/1.5) = $3.5. Maybe I could replace the 6 keto with this XI-KT stuff instead? It seems like it could actually be more effective if we assumed a worst case scenario of a 60mg T equivalence, roughly equivalent itself to 90mg of 6 keto p4.

Mauritio

@engineer any noticeable effects?

engineer

@Mauritio None yet since I only put on the 1mL 30 minutes ago but I will do an additional 0.5mL tonight and continue that for a few days.

engineer

You know what, I'm going to go scorched earth and do 2mL to increase the probability of feeling something and it would match the cost of 40mg 6kp4 too.