Posts made by buckminster

@schlomohomo Then explain how it's hypocritical.

Calling out hateful assholes is not the same as being a hateful asshole. Communities protecting themselves from putrid vile ideologies is basic self-care.

Ahh this thread... another example of what happens when a ~particular ideology~ joins a community. Yall will eat yourselves alive before giving up your adrenalized hostility, right? I'm disappointed in the OGs for not gatekeeping better.

@GiacomoPepperoni This is art.

Someone made an account just for this bit. The internet is amazing.

Fuck people just pay more money to not get irradiated. This is just for the poors? Amazing. Thanks for the probably obvious tip. I'ma pay for pre check for my flight.

I suspect he would think they were a CIA op. I tolerate them and wish them the best in their political development.

Reminds me of a terrance mckenna quote, although lots of modern culture does.

"It's only going to get weirder. The level of contradiction is going to rise excruciatingly, even beyond the excruciating present levels of contradiction. So, I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder, and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is."

What are folks thoughts on the dangers of the full-body scanner? Do ya opt for a pat down? What have been your experiences?

I rarely travel and am typically trying to get through security as fast as possible, but every time I go through the scanner I feel tired. Last time I asked for a pat down, but I was informed I would have to wait for a police officer to be available for a pat down, and they made it seem like I was being a huge pain in their ass. I decided I hate cops more than radiation - pick your poison I guess.

Besides while waiting you have to chill in the emf'ed zone.

In a rainmaker time peat interview, Ray mentioned he stopped flying after 9/11 due to the changes in airport security.

What can be done to mitigate the harmful effects?

great chat.

and like clockwork, it descends into nonsensical paranoid fantasies and 4chan speak. Speaks of 'no basis in reality' with no self-awareness. I guess this is the result of digitized late capitalism toxic brain melt.

Even if someone was fash, why would they engage in a community celebrating and sharing the work of ray peat in this fashion? (hateful profile pics and names) - these are low vibrational energies that spread hate and fear. It is associating the work of ray peat with something antithetical to him. Now when ray's work is reported, he's regularly discredited by the reporter associating him with nazis. Some folks are trying to turn the community into a stormfront forum- this destroys engagement. Folks don't want to participate, it excludes massive sections of humanity that ray's work could reach. It is such an insult to a man people claim to respect and love, that its hard to not consider an ulterior motive. If it's not a deliberate psyop, it functions as one.

To answer the original question "why is the ray peat community so far right?"

I think what your getting at is why has it attracted so many neo nazis and fascists. That is a question many peaters wrestle with. Because in many ways it makes zero sense. When you read rays work, he makes some of the best critiques of racism, eugenics, genetics, and fascism. The philosophy is so antithetical to Ray's work, that it boggles the mind how anyone can think these communities are remotely compatible.

The obvious answer is bap. Even though Ray had been steadily working for many decades prior, bap was one of the first people with a cult-like following to promote his work- bringing in an army of his loyal fans.

I think the more sinister explanation is it's a psyop campaign to discredit ray and destroy his work and legacy.

"John Ioannidis’ article 'Why most research findings are false' is worth reading. Things discussed on 'forums' aren’t. Ordinary corporate advertising has been supplemented by the much more economical practice of hiring product reviewers to slander competing products, joining multiple forums with their 'unhappy experiences.'" RP (2021)

At this point I'm pretty convinced at least some amount of the hate fueled posters are paid for my some firm in the pharmaceutical industry. Likely some poorly paid bot farm in a 3rd world country. In the history of cointelpro operations, this would be pretty affordable and effective. Half the time when engaging with these folks they have obviously not even read rays work.

@Aryan_Racist Wow you really have fallen for every psyop in the strategy of tension.

It's pretty amazing that almost every time fash try to articulate their perspective they reveal there is no substance other than hate. And their ideology is just the vehicle to express the hate inside them. It's sad. It's anti-metabolic, high stress hormones, scarcity-mindset. It's also just bad vibes, for themselves and the world - even spreading it on a site that is dedicated to such a loving and empathetic person as ray peat. The fash ideology attracts hateful people. Folks wanna fluff it up with their esoteric evola'ism, but hate is its root, and for many that is its allure. Someone earlier mentioned they were opposed to evil, but I can't think of anything more evil than spreading hate and fear. I wish everyone whatever kind of heart chakra expansion is required to snap them out of the hate psycosis. I don't think its about right-left ideology. Its some sort of deeper spiritual sickness.

@Aryan_Racist It is possible to be a leftist and want to be left alone. I'm one of them. There is a strong individualist left-wing tradition. If you want to be left alone, don't you think others want that and deserve it too? Because your profile pic represents the opposite- fear, hate, and hostility. Empathy is achieved from an excess of energy. As that energy expands it extends beyond the individual, forming a perspective of our shared humanity. And what is good for you is good for me, because we are all interconnected.

"First, a person who is chronically sick and malnourished just doesn't have much energy or stamina to study and be critical. So first, you just have to stop poisoning yourself by eating what the government and dietitians
are selling as a healthful diet, and once you have the strength to read and think, then you realize who is doing what to you, and you start investigating the food industry, the agricultural production industry, the science industry that supports the agricultural imposition, and the political system that justifies the medical and agricultural economic imposition. All of these are very clearly wound together in a system to maintain class dominance. It started in the 1930s depression with the government having a three-tiered diet. One to prevent starvation in the very poor, one an economical diet to get along on very little, and then at the top a healthy diet."
-Ray Peat

@zawisza said in Why is the Ray Peat community so far right?:

If we consider left wing as anti-hierarchical and right wing as pro-hierarchical then Peatism can be appealing to both although inherently anti-hierarchical and thus left wing.

bingo.

Speaking of health stereotypes it wasn't long ago when fash was associated with fat, ugly, dysgenic folks - and they still are to an extent, just watch videos of klan rallies. Or how many people on fashy peat twitter have handles like incel88. Maybe folks aren't old enough to remember, but there was a veer towards far-right health culture, and it was probably because they had a bad reputation for being gross.

What folks think leftists look like is very indicative of someone who spends too much time on the computer. I have been involved in the left for 20 years and there are plenty of beautiful, strong, and healthy people. As a movement that has inclusivity as a principle, that looks out for the oppressed, and is against the subjugation of others - we attract all kinds of people, the disabled, the abused, the downtrodden- and that is a good thing.

The system is sick, and people are being harmed. It's important to take your health into your own hands but we have to look at the bigger picture, like peat describes the health problems are a political issue of a system designed to oppress.

What yall are referring to as a typical leftists is a mirage. It's a caricature from a meme. Like the analysis never went past some random right wing click bait and there wasn't even enough effort to read a Wikipedia page (the bare minimum).

The west is not left. The west is right wing. The crisis of the west is the crisis of capitalism. The overtone window has gone so far right that folks think someone is left wing if they drink Starbucks and don't hate gay people. Basic social services is not left-wing, its guillotine insurance. There was no left wing economics in nazi germany, there was no democratization of the workplace, the ruling class still owned the means of production. Capitalism is the dictatorship of the rich and fascism is capitalism with the gloves off.

The right wing won in the west. There is a reason crushing left wing movements was priority #1 for military-industrial complex. The far right should be dancing, yall got yr utopia. This is it.

@sladerunner69 I want this to be true. I find I can trick myself into thinking the shungite is being effective based on weird anomalies with the reader, depending on how I'm holding it, like my field or body is interrupting the reading, not the shungite. But if I place the piece of shungite on a table and set the reader down, there is zero effect. I'm using a trifield and have used multiple pieces of shungite, including some coming directly from a main source in russia. I had a friend who sold shungite and discovered this independently, and then stopped selling it.

Either way, your results got me questioning myself enough that I'm going to try again. This was a while ago.

@PrinceMyshkin Do you drink alcohol or eat starch?

I had a white tongue coating for years and treated it herbally according to traditional Chinese medicine. I never got long-term results until I started peating and quit alcohol. In the past it was always worse after a night a drinking. I find if I eat a lot of starch, during the holidays or something, it comes back.

@eric 100%. It is very bizarre and disturbing. Defending ray's legacy is my primary motivation for even engaging in the peatarian community. I have such a deep respect for Ray Peat. He has improved my life so temendously, I owe him a debt of gratitude. It pains me deeply to see his work get so disrespected and tarnished by those trying to hijack it for nefarious aims. It's so spooky and weird, that it can be so distorted to such a degree. It's not hard to imagine it's orchestrated in some sort of cointelpro fashion to destroy his work and potential impact. Not sure, hard to wrap my head around.

@Hando-Jin I think Bookchin's attack on 'lifestyle anarchism' (and inventing the phase I believe) was stupid, with lasting repercussions. I'm a bit familiar with the bob black criticism but have not read it directly. Searching it now I see...

Chapter 1: Murray Bookchin, Grumpy Old Man

lol so true. Such a curmudgeon. None the less I love his work. It was good enough to inspire Abdullah Ocalan and create a multi-ethnic direct democracy in northeast syria. Much to glean and learn. Not many theorists can say they have had their work attempted at scale. Despite its problems, mostly caused by external aggression.

@Ecstatic_Hamster Here's the website 'Cell Intelligence' http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/g-buehler/htmltxt.htm

@Hando-Jin I'm super stoked to hear Peat was a fan of Bookchin. He's one of my primary political influences. I just searched the transcripts and in GE 34 found... "Have you read any of Murray Bookchin's books or articles? He was a good libertarian." RP

Do you know of anywhere else he discussed Bookchin? I remember him coming up briefly in one of Ray's last interviews. As I recall he just acknowledged that he was familiar with his work.

Bookchin was raised by stalinists. He ended up being a critic of both marxism and anarchism and created a secret 3rd thing...libertarian municipalism and social ecology. (libertarian in the leftist sense). Post-Scarcity Anarchism is an amazing book. After bookchin's death, his ideas gained physical territory and were put to the test as he's one of the primary ideological influences of Rojava.

I wouldn't necessarily call Ray a Stalinist either - the definition of which is not even clear. But like any good student of proletarian liberation, we find respect, fascination, and lessons in Stalin and the Soviets.