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@revenant said in My Experiments With Hormones:

@RFC32 said in My Experiments With Hormones:

Alright.

So I now have alpha gels which is just vitamin e, dmso, and micronized Testosterone.

Where did you buy this from?

There's an email you can order from, not sure if I'm allowed to share it here. If so I'll update it in here, can anyone tell me what's allowed and not? They sell DHT and Test in DMSO with vitamin E, bit pricey.

@PrinceTrebata said in My Experiments With Hormones:

@RFC32 Did transdermal application anywhere other than scrotal have similer effects?

I also tested naval and it felt really good, energy, drive, less anxious or fight feeling probably due to less DHT.

@metabolicmilk said in My Experiments With Hormones:

@RFC32

How was the alphagels experience compared to other ways of test application you have tried?

Did alphagels feel stronger or last longer than your other experiments?

It definitely lasts way longer, the sublingual stuff only lasts about two hours and it's noticeable.

I will say sublingual though is really amazing, honestly I think I prefer it. You just have to dose more.

The problem is the carrier used is toxic for me, my eyes become blurry, my skin breaks out and I look awful very quickly. I'm debating either doing test in Vitamin E suspension for sublingual or making pasties, that's a method I found trans MTF people use putting estrogen basically into gum you stick to your gums, I think I could do the same with testosterone.

DMSO test is cool though, but topical transference still has me freaked out.

Alright.

So I now have alpha gels which is just vitamin e, dmso, and micronized Testosterone.

Applying to my scrotum I get:

• Increase in energy
• Increase in aggression
• Increase in confidence
• Increase in strength

Application with DMSO is super messy, has to be rubbed in and I worry a lot about transference. There are many claims of 99% permeability with DMSO but it’s hard to say if that’s true, and what about the test on my hands from application.

Also I did find that sublingual felt better, more energy, it had to be dosed multiple times a day but it was extremely reliable, I also found libido a bit higher.

I need to find a way to make homemade sublingual test as the stuff I got sets off my allergies immediately.

Should vitamin e and test straight together work?

@mavuue no, libido does go down but my libido is usually ridiculously high, it’s a bit of a benefit.

No cracked joints, but it makes me super sleepy so I take it at night often sublingually, I can still smell it the next day and my wife can tell when I’ve taken it.

Update: took 6mg sublingual again today and once again great energy, sex drive, happy. But allergic responses again. I’ve found that Farnese uses this chemical in some of its smart systems too and people have commented it makes them react immediately.

I ordered alpha gels test because I just really want a way to keep running this, but I’m also considering getting vitamin e and raw test then making sublingual.

Sublingual definitely works for me, it’s easy to take too and the study that uses it shows an increase in dht which is probably why my drive goes up so much on it. Self control goes way up too and libido is good.

I did take 30 mg the other day, 6 mg 5 times a day and by the end I was suppressed based on semen consistency.

I want to try it with vitamin e to see if it extends half life.

DMSO test from alpha gels will be interesting. I avoided it before because my wife is super sensitive to smells. Seems like he adds in essential oils to help with that. I’ve also read adding a tiny bit of honey has been shown to get rid of the bad dmso breath.

@metabolicmilk

If you’re going to go dmso just go straight dmso and apply on the balls. Otherwise tocopherol and ethanol sublingual seems best to me.

Testosterone has felt so much better to me than the other hormones to me that’s the ultimate one.

I avoid dmso because it makes my breath and sweat smell so my wife doesn’t like it. Also anything topical I worry about getting on my kids, especially if it’s in large amounts. Too easily to spill, get on clothing, or get on hands. I know dmso fully absorbs but I still have trouble trusting it, if my kids had hormonal issues from my experiments I’d never forgive myself.

I’m considering just injecting but my wife is against it. Managing estrogen is a pain but I’m willing to do it.

I will say pregnenolone and DHEA help my brain function a lot. Chess scores go way up as does mood.

@milo7 around 4mg, two on wrists two sublingual.

I’ve also used the full dose from icon labs which is much higher but the amount absorbed is lower so I don’t know how it compares. That stuff turns me into walking cologne though.

@wester130 thank you!

And yes, half life is noticeably short, I peak after an hour and then the difference is noticeable after three hours.

It’s actually a problem as well, because you can’t load your dose up high or things feel awful fast when everything hits at once.

I am definitely allergic to hbcpd though which is unfortunate.

Edit: I want to add that the low half life of HBCPD with testosterone is well supported in literature. When they used it in testing they did 5 mg 3 times a day to get testosterone levels up to acceptable.

My assumption is with vitamin e we may be able to increase dosage and decrease frequency, or even do the same and see how it goes.

I know people in the forums were talking about how 1mg Ray would take seems way too little. But my experience with sublingual shows there is likely a large effect.

@jamezb46 it uses hbpcd just like the other sublingual studies.

I don’t know these site rules but I do have a link to the seller, but it’s an underground overseas steroid lab basically.

@PrinceTrebata

I love Pansterone, if I didn’t gain weight like crazy on it I’d never stop using it.

@PrinceTrebata good question. 11 keto dht is decent with testosterone but on its own was not super reliable for me.

Androsterone I keep just for pheromones. If my wife is ovulating it sends her into overdrive and before meeting with my board of investors I always use it.

Pansterone taken orally sure makes my brain fog go away but I get so hungry I gain a lot of weight with it so I rarely use it.

I’d say testosterone and then androsterone are my favorites.

@wester130 I have taken enclomiphene before and faced the eye damage and this is definitely different.

It is dry eyes, I have huge issues focusing my eyesight, my eczema also suddenly breaks out. If I take an antihistamine it keeps the eczema at bay but dries out my eyes further.

Enclomiphene gave me oily skin, but no energy or drive and I started seeing floaters in my eyes. The effects of sublingual testosterone were much more of what I’m looking for despite the side effects.

Enclomiphene effects also came on after a couple of weeks, even with the first dose of sublingual test in hbcpd I feel the allergies hit. It’s that dang hbcpd.

@jamezb46 I’ve been thinking more about this and didn’t realize how similar the idea with this is to what I’ve already taken.

The other formula I’ve used is sublingual but with a different formula that unfortunately I am allergic to. My eyes get so dry after a few days of use I can barely see, it reverses when I drop the supplement.

Aside from that here’s my experiences with sublingual test:

• hits after about 15 minutes when I suddenly feel an increase in mood and energy.
• peaks around an hour, my sex drive suddenly goes way up and general drive goes up.
• desire to exercise goes up too
• aggression increases as well
• my weight decreased after using it for three weeks straight, I stopped because my vision got so bad I couldn’t drive.
• I started dreaming again, I haven’t had dreams in a long time.

I was doing 6 mg in the mornings, than 3 more doses of 4 mg later in the day.

I really want to try with another formulation that I’m not allergic to. I did get some suppression after a few days but I definitely was not shut down.

@Hollowed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2832319/

Check out this study, there’s a few more.

@ATP I’m planning on it, have you tried it?

So theoretically we could take much lower dosages.

There are studies with straight micronized T no carriers that show decent success with two dosages of 200mg per day, including showing how they solve many sex drive issues of people with T issues. If I recall it didn’t work for all participants to hit super high level. Haidt has it in his write up.

To me this says for those of us with decent levels it’s probably a very good solution. I can first hand say that suppression from sublingual was very manageable.

Maximus reports extremely good results doing a lymphatic bypass and micronized T with 6 mg of Enclomiphene a day to stop you from suppression. I don’t like Enclomiphene but the results are interesting. They do 500 mg micronized T once a day. My guess is with a protest e style formula we could get similar results with much lower dosage and less reliance on something like Enclomiphene.

@GreekDemiGod How have things been going? Any improvements?

Where did you get the micronized testosterone from?

800 mg is a lot, was that in oil? My understanding is if it's in oil to bypass the lymphatic system you need to have fat with it to see a good increase in levels. This is why the Maximus protocol of trt+ has you taking in fat, they also use micronized testosterone with oil to bypass the lymphatic system.

interestingly they use small doses of enclomiphene to fight against suppression, not sure how needed that is though.

I recently did sublingual testosterone, great results, my energy and mood had huge increase, my allergies went crazy though so I assume I'm allergic to the carrier and had to stop.

Hey Everyone,

I'm a 33 year old married man, I've got 4 kids and I'm glad to find this forum. I wanted to start this thread to log my experiences with various hormones and supplements.

Not everything in my life follows Ray Peat advised methods, but I find the Ray Peat community to be very open and honest which is why I prefer to post here.

What are my goals?

My goals are simple, I want to:

• Feel more energetic
• Look better
• Better performance in sex

I work in an extremely stressful environment, I am a business executive over a midsize company doing around 200 million a year in revenue. This combined with the stress of my kids has slowly caused me to gain weight, get out of shape, and feel worse over time.

I first want to talk about my most recent experiment which was with sublingual testosterone. I found some on the black market and the effects were just like the studies show. Within 15 minutes I had a burst of energy, at around the hour mark I felt amazing, then it would slowly come down for the next hour. I took a lot and did face suppression, my balls shrunk a bit and my ejaculate was a lot more watery than usual.

I had to stop taking it though as the carrier used I am apparently allergic to. Every time I took it my eyes would get dryer and my eczema would suddenly come back. As such I had to discontinue use after a couple of weeks. Recovery was very easy so I doubt I was all that suppressed.

I am now considering straight oral testosterone. Topical is out because of my kids and shots will be last resort, last time I tested I was not low enough to qualify for TRT.

Previous Ideal Lab Hormones I've used

I have used:

Pansterone - Originally I used dermacrine before switching over. Dermacrine has huge doses and I ended up gaining a ton of water weight. My wife goes nuts for the smell of DHEA/Pregenenolone for some reason. I find using this my energy and drive goes way up but my appetite becomes unmanageable. Every time I start taking it my weight goes up because I can't control my eating. Maybe if I had more time to move around as well. I've also found it helps me last a lot longer in bed. This is important as obviously sex is a big part of my marriage and keeping my wife happy.

DHT 11-keto I like it, good drive, deep voice, doesn't make me tired. When I combined it with the sublingual testosterone it was a whole other level. My libido was incredible. I've found no suppression with this, no energy gain though.

Androsterone The smell does have a pheromone effect and I've found it beneficial in a business sense. I find that it can make me feel lethargic and light headed, I often want to nap suddenly. It also kills any anxiety, but I generally have no anxiety.

Vitamin K2 Started this recently, doubt it will make a crazy difference but I did find a guy on reddit who sent me his bloodwork showing great results.

I recently gave up nicotine gum, I worry too much about prolactin from it.

What's next then in things I'll try?

I want to try t3, I started balding around kid 2 likely from stress and my temperatures are low, not super low but low.

I also want to try oral micronized testosterone. I'm struggling to buy any and figure out how to keep my kids from getting into it. Anyone with kids knows that unless you really go out of your way to keep them out they will find a way. I have a home office I''d plan to use.

So that's it. Excited to learn from people here. I want to get back into barbell lifting at home and found when I used testosterone my desire to workout went through the roof, here's hoping we can find a way to do that without killing my eyesight.