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@PrinceTrebata Yes I'd say so. I've heard good things about it on RPF in the Kuinone(topical k2 mk4) thread.

@Kilgore Red light on them/d3 on them is comparable to sunning them.

Volcel. I just don't see sex as that big of a deal. With measures to prevent pregnancy (like condoms and birth control, even though I don't think hormonal birth control is healthy) sex is pointless and will not complete my purpose. Without measures to prevent pregnancy it's risky and life consuming. I don't desire to have children right now.

I see sex as something that could theoretically be easy to get, provided you're healthy, not super ugly, and actively pursuing sex. Even an ugly guy could find an ugly girl to bang. The amount of sex low tier men get is something they put on a pedestal and brag about. It's just like people with a bunch of money in a bank account who eat like shit and aren't truly happy.
I can list off a lot of things I'd much rather do than have sex.

I'd also like to mention the fact that while male celebrities/successful men have a lot of sex, usually with one woman, or a few they could trust, they aren't going wild banging every attractive woman they can get. I figure that after having a certain amount of sex and attracting enough women that you get bored of it and perceive it as potentially financially draining and messy. Just as you'd get bored from unlimited cocaine/your drug of choice. Inevitably your life is consumed and or altered by a lack of control.

@yerrag Not sure on if DHT causes baldness or not, or what hormonal imbalance can cause it as people age, but the the trifecta of male beauty is hair, good skin, and masculine features, i.e. jawline, cheekbones, browridge, hunter eyes. These masculine features are theoretically caused by DHT.

@PrinceTrebata Some go super overboard, but like I mentioned above, there's fitness influencers(not bodybuilders) who aren't ridiculously huge and gross looking. You don't have to inject a bunch of test and take a bunch of orals to look healthy and masculine. You can obviously criticize the disgusting looking bodybuilders on crazy amounts of roids, but there's guys with good collagen and health who take lower levels of test.
I agree with you though, I think DHT powder or androsterone is more important.

I would say that perhaps androsterone, topical DHEA, and topical K2 mk4 with proper sun exposure could help masculinise a man and drive his DHT levels up, which is more important for masculine features than testosterone.

I'm sure you have heard about microplastics, receipts, BPAs, low prenatal testosterone levels. Of course all of these sound worrying and detrimental to the youth. Perhaps they may cause irreversible changes to young men, but the more controversial conclusion I've only seen people come to on looksmaxxing forums is that young men should inject testosterone to essentially regain their masculinity and become more masculine in appearance. Diet is great and lifestyle changes are great and really do move the needle, but the greatest transformations from soft soyboy to masculine machine typically involves exogenous hormones. Perhaps the soft soyboys did not have high levels of testosterone during puberty and fell far below the average of people in their age range. Not only do almost all bodybuilders inject testosterone, I would say so do most fitness influencers, including the natural raw milk raw egg ones, along with most male celebrities. I have seen Frank Tufano refer to this as an elite secret that protects you from the estrogenic environment. From a Peaty perspective, your hormones determine your reality, so the belief system and reality of a man with 300 ng/dl test would be far different from a man with 1200 ng/dl test.

I find this to be an interesting conspiracy, and perhaps young men need to upregulate their androgen receptors if they want to feel and look as masculine as their ancestors did.

@vocedilegno Well his levels are more than double the testosterone of a teenage boy. Definitely an unmanageable amount of testosterone for someone who isn't an extreme bodybuilder. He transformed himself into a sex obsessed caveman. He needs to lower his test dosage, it's not sustainable.

What OP is experiencing in regards to an obsession with sex and thinking less seems to be the perspective that steroid users get themselves into, most of the time on purpose. If you go from being the overthinker to being the dumb alpha at bars and clubs, suddenly much more sexual opportunities open up. Most men aren't sexual masterminds, hooking up with chick after chick, which is why they need recreational drugs or steroids to do so. While it very well could be high estrogen, this could also be the side effects of too much testosterone with not enough outlets to utilize this. With levels this high you would definitely need to have a lot of sex or masturbate every single day to calm down. Again, this can be too much testosterone for our modern environment. Steroid users are animals compared to the modern population. You can definitely be too horny or too aggressive for your own good with supraphysiological testosterone levels in modern times.

You accidentally turned yourself into a himbo. I'd get your other hormone levels checked out.

@Andrewㅤ I'm sure it attributed to some amount of changes but I've ordered androsterone bottles like 7 or 8 times so have more experience with it.

@Andrewㅤ I think 2 or 3 drops. So 2-3 mg, maybe a bit more as an experiment. But 2-3 drops was like 6-7 drops of androsterone. Not to mention that the 11-keto-dht was in alcohol and I usually take androsterone in tocopherols. Not sure if it was the steroid itself that was more potent or the delivery.

I got an adjustable grip trainer that works pretty well at strengthening my twink arms. Could possibly grow wrist size.

Very interesting, been thinking about wrist growth too recently.

@BioEclectic I understand what you mean, and yes, I have a pretty good understanding of the topic. My issue is with most internet forums, especially something like reddit, instead of replying with something helpful, they have to give a mouthy response against the person asking the question. Like if someone was looking for organic coffee, the comment section will debate the idea of "organic" and not respect that person deciding to consume organic products. Or if you ask what restaurants don't cook with seed oils, people argue about how safe seed oils are. This is why I could prefer something like AI, chatGPT, instead of being able to find the information you're seeking out, you have to deal with an unhelpful and aggressive comment section.

This is how the comment sections seem to be on the topic of looks. It doesn't matter whether you think looks are unimportant, that person is just looking for what exactly is possible from people who may have knowledge he does not know about. The internet in 2024 is broken search engines and unhelpful comment sections.

I also want to state, with the thyroid experiments, Ray Peat's experience with DHEA, and anything else he did that changed his body and appearance for the better is certainly appealing to anyone who wants to become healthier for the purpose of attraction and reproduction. Health and attractiveness are certainly intertwined, it makes no sense for an unhealthy organism to be attractive, especially an older organism who lacks the protection of youthfulness. When people balloon up at a certain age from all of the PUFA consumption, they are not healthy and their appearance shows this. A man or woman who peats/cleans up their body will certainly have a better chance with the opposite sex in a healthier state. So many people hold this idea that everything is genetic and they cannot change themselves.

I think it also makes complete sense why older men or women, especially married ones, wouldn't care about their looks as much as a man or woman in the peak fertility range. Almost everyone tries to change their look it in some way. Almost every young woman wearing makeup and almost every young man getting haircuts, going to the gym, and dressing a certain way. It just makes sense for people to try the hardest and have the most drive towards the opposite sex around a certain age range.

I really relate this older generation claiming that looks don't matter with the just world hypothesis/just world fallacy because someone looking better than another person and having more women attracted to him or her is not fair to someone who is less attractive. We've been taught in our schools and in our society that everyone has a fair chance and anyone can do anything. We've been taught to try our hardest and take initiative, but just observing how women respond to the attractive guy versus the unattractive guy, there's a noticeable difference. The woman may see the attractive guy as charismatic and the unattractive guy as creepy, perhaps shaming him on social media, reporting him to the boss if they work together, etc. People who grew up in a different generation cannot comprehend the dating culture of today's youth and the anti male sentiment. I've had women in my family who lean liberal tell me that they are pushing the anti male sentiment way too hard today and destroying the confidence of men.

Of course it's great for anyone to move the needle with bioenergetics and become a better version of themselves, but the people on the raypeatforum who are too caught up in upholding their moral system and remnants of a fair world don't like thinking that people can have advantage over someone else with something they in someway were born into.

I've noticed when browsing through raypeatforum threads scouring for any information about the improvement of the external human body, i.e. becoming more masculine or feminine, becoming more desirable to the opposite sex, growing in height, improving facial development, etc. they treat this as super taboo and use it as an opportunity to virtue signal their morals. Not only that, they try to diagnose people with concerns about how they look with some sort of mental illness and treat someone wanting to look better an insecure fool. Their advice, aside from @JamesGatz , is typically defeatist, coping, or a mix of both, which is strange to see on the Perceive Think Act forum. I find them to be pretty dogmatic and brainwashed. Open minded, but leaning towards an older crowd, so pretty set in stone with their beliefs, regardless on if they are the truth or some nonsense they learned in the schooling system.

Even beyond this topic, I always found the forum to be pretty closed minded and the Twitter community to be much more experimental and willing to ask the "dumb questions". I understand this topic isn't necessarily something that Ray Peat had much of a focus on, but of course logically, with our current diets and lifestyles, you'll have young men wanting a solution to become a better looking organism and fix the results of a subpar diet. To me, I see this topic as it's own science, and there are plenty of figures I've seen on social media with great interest in this, some even promoting Peat. I see the obvious connection between diet, DNA quality, attractiveness, and really everything to do with how an organism is formed. But people typically correlate everything wrong or right about an organism with genetics. I see Weston A Price, the organization associated with him, along with its members as being pretty well informed on the health and attractiveness correlation, but I believe Peat and in some ways Aajonus Vonderplanitz as giving hope to young men on a progression in masculinity and attractiveness beyond puberty. With a mainstream lens, very few things are changeable about one's state of health and almost everything is unchangeable.

@BioEclectic Lmao you might be right. I think it was @JamesGatz who's talked about masculinity in prisons.