Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?
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@lanadelesoteric said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
@Mulloch94 You sound like you have a eating disorder. Having fried foods now and again will not make you look like Nikavacado. The point of Peating is not have a bizarre aversion to anything that doesn't fit within the rules, its a bout making yourself resilient to the world around you.
Did you not read in my comment where I talked about my cheat meals. Usually it's pizza, or burgers I like double double...with fries. I'll eat fried foods on occasion, but they're without a doubt one of the worst things you could ever put in your body. It's also very easy to overeat calorically dense combinations like that. The negative impact it has on your glucose regulation will make a lot of people hungry again in just a couple hours.
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@Mulloch94
Real pizza from a family owned pizzaria and non-fried burgers are the best cheat meals, watch those toppings of course. But i'm going to plant a seed in your head, those fries are cooked in old oxidized PUFA
I've asked for substitutes for fries in the past btw, the last time it was mashed potatoes, butter & salt. -
I find it disheartening that anyone would not notice the difference. Well I know I'm a highly sensitive person, so there's that.
I can eat a few grams of PUFA without noticing a difference, but just about any restaurant meal is going to make me feel bad. I start feeling a bit "cold" and mentally dull. I start spelling words wrong and forgetting things. Feeling deflated, low. Headache. And just a general gross feeling in my skin. Sometimes feeling like I can't breathe.
I don't know anything about the "depletion". I would think some people are just more sensitive than others. It's not like I've avoided PUFA like the plague. I've been eating a handful of Cheez-its here and there.
I can see PUFA being similar to estrogen. I think that's the real reason it's pushed by the government, along with everything estrogenic or serotonergic that reduces meaningful thinking and makes people likely to submit to authority.
Vitamin E helps a lot, but doesn't make me feel normal. Aspirin helps a PUFA headache.
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@Atman Well for one, quarter pounders are almost entirely saturated fat, and most locations don't add any "butter oil". There's just a couple of grams of PUFA in the bun. So actually, McDonald's is a bad example, because it's pretty PUFA-free, unless you order the fries.
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@lanadelesoteric you can buy low-PUFA pork, it's just insanely expensive
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@lanadelesoteric McDonald's quarter pounders are actually quite saturated. Just don't get the fries, and you'll be fine.
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@Cicero I think its probably a good sign to be sensitive to some extent. I wish I was more properly sensitive.
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@kimbriel said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
There's just a couple of grams of PUFA in the bun
Everybody has their own experiences when eating out at restaurants or fast food. But I frequently find breads to be one of those most problematic foodstuffs. Probably one of the few things I actually agree with low carbers about, albeit for vastly different reasons. Seed oils, soy, some even have cancer agents in them like azodicarbonamide. Most have baking powder as well, which typically has heavy-metals and added phosphates to it. And even if you find one without all that it is still probably fortified with iron. Fortunately bread alternatives are quite prevalent. My mother loves Subway, so whenever she wants a sandwich from there I can get their breadless bowls. With burgers it's as simple as wrapping them in lettuce instead of bread, very tasty. Pizza can be difficult, finding a local pizzeria that makes their dough fresh would be the best option. I've also had cauliflower crusts that taste pretty good.
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@kimbriel Yeh familiar with some of this.
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My OCD improved by ~20% after ~2 weeks of strictly avoiding PUFAs. I haven't noticed a reduction in obsessive thoughts but my anxiety related to them decreased and therefore I'm better able to avoid doing the compulsions/rituals. If I eat more PUFAs within a day or two then my symptoms worsen again. 2 or 3 days of strictly avoiding PUFAs after eating them for 1 or 2 days is enough to reduce my symptoms back to what they were like before eating more PUFAs. By strictly avoiding PUFAs I mean avoiding anything with more than 1% of their calories coming from PUFAs with the exception of chocolate
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Bruh I pigged out on fried food this weekend, family reunion type ish.
Stomach has been inflamed and bloated. Extremities can’t warm up. Mood is mostly awful.
This is why I avoid this 99% of the time
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@BroJonas Achey nips too. This sucks.
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Yes.
Like a year ago, started experimenting with different Peat things like oj and more limiting pufa.
Went to chic-fil-a, got a small breakfast chicken biscuit, tots, coffee. Felt like absolute garbage the rest of the day. Stomach ache, brain fog, slowness, etc. Sure, this is way more than just pufa or cooking oil, but damn. I've really limited fast food after that.Butter definitely is satiating and energizing, maybe not great but way better than seed oils. I like olive oil but only in specific foods/recipes.
This is probably old news but it goes with other pufa items. I think I've even noticed it with store breads that use small amounts of pufa oil. Probably not a great product overall, and I think it has those effects at a lesser level than fried stuff.
I'm wondering if gut endotoxin-serotonin and pufa is also related to abdominal fat/water retention?
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@BioEclectic said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
Was at a relative's home and had their otherwise excellent homemade sausage for dinner, just some and not too much. 20-30 minutes later my guts got very tight, almost a stomach ache. It stayed that way for hours. I had found out later that evening that it was fried in corn oil.
Yes - this 100%. The chic-fil-a disaster for me was like a gut-pinching feeling. Didn't want to move or walk, felt energy declining, body temperature probably lowered, and got cold.
I think 100% the key thing is that over time we get accustomed to these chemicals, so we don't feel the "shock" that it is actually causing... maybe Peat said this but I know it's true now. We have a tolerance to this really ugly stuff, and rarely feel "health." And then of course the old weight loss motto of "eat less move more" and also the Super Size Me superficially made people aware of "processed food." I think diet sodas or energy drinks are filling the void of energy created by pufa. And if the Randall Cycle is nuked, then regular pop is going to convert to fat and contribute to the problem though offering temporary relief from the pufa symptoms.
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@VehmicJuryman said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
Foods deep fried in PUFA oils are without a doubt the worst thing in the modern diet and should be avoided 100%. This really shouldn't be controversial on a Ray Peat forum. Peat always recommended getting as close to completely eliminating PUFA as possible.
I think when one reduces pufa, pufa cravings also reduce. The less fried you eat, the less you want it. I imagine it's positive feedback with good food too - that you start craving things you habitually eat.
This is one perhaps "paradox" of Peatism, and that is that I crave honey and cheese and fruit a lot more now. At the same time, I accept these are far better than General Tso's Chicken or other abominable delicacies. I suppose it's that we want to make cravings work for us instead of the other way around. The other way around is now evident in every facet of the modern world/economy.
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Get duck fat or tallow and bake the potatoes in the oven.
Yeah it's mufa or pufa, but it's a lot better than deep frying or fast food. Tastes incredible, especially tallow. -
@Mulloch94 said in Has anyone felt worse after eating seed oils?:
Pizza can be difficult, finding a local pizzeria that makes their dough fresh would be the best option.
I make homemade dough and pizza and the biggest problem is not eating all of it, and not eating it with Coke...straight into a coma if I mix the two.
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Yes. I couldn't sleep lol night
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The saliva on my throat becomes thicker and I start coughing every time I eat lots of pufa. Also it doen't sit well in my stomach.
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I had this experience twice in my life, about ten years ago. I was at a kind of barbecue at a sports club and they didn't have normal barbecues with charcoal, but these stupid things where you pour oil on and fry the meat in it. I noticed they use sunflower oil and lots of it. Ate a steak anyway because I didn't want to be a dick. Don't remember if I also ate potato salad, because they are usually made with sunflower oil as well.
On both occasions I got sick the next day.
So I guess people who usually avoid seed oils are more susceptible when they get a load. After all, other people use seed oils every day and aren't sick every single day. It may be a shock for the system if you aren't used to it.
