Iodine - too much!
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Iodine excess could be the main cause of low thyroid function.
Explanation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMMyDX7s5asFor some people, over 200 mcg iodine becomes excessive, which is less than 2 and a half cups of milk.
1 cup of milk has 85 mcg iodine now, but before the 1970's, a cup of milk had 14 mcg iodine. Eggs have gone way up in iodine too.
Before iodine fortification, it would be very difficult for a person to get over 200mcg iodine.
I wrote more details on one of my websites here:
https://endocrinefriendly.com/excess-iodine-milk/And my experience with lowering iodine: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3760/bloodwork-shows-elevated-tpoab-hashimoto-s-disease
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Thats weird because many people feel better using Lugol’s topically (I even think I smell better, a pleasant musk, when using it. Presumably, it’s my pheromones. I notice the same smell on my underwear, but not on my shirt, socks, or pants
Will be happy if someone can explain this phenomenon)
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@William-Shat I can't explain that, but like half of people who megadose iodine say they got harmed by it.
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@William-Shat said in Iodine - too much!:
Will be happy if someone can explain this phenomenon)
You do well. I won't change. I can explain but not now, not in this post.
The misunderstanding comes from a Fake element, the so called Wolff-checkoff effect that is transitorily.
One fact:
NIH stands 150 mcg iodine is RDA. But the limit is 1100 mcg when the physician tries to heal cancer.
Source: Dr Reliquet. The power of iodine (in French). -
@LucH I know about the Wolff Chaikoff effect, but I didn’t fully understand your message. Are you saying that 1 mg is the limit you advise? Or are you saying that people who haven’t transitioned gradually and directly try high doses of Lugol’s are in danger?
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@William-Shat
There is no danger, when doing it progressively and listening to the body response, realizing 10 % people could suffer from endotoxins when the body tries to get rid of excess halogens.
The example given was to set under the light that the recommendations are contradictory, that it doesn't make sense. -
By the way, here is my experience lowering iodine and feeling better: https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3760/bloodwork-shows-elevated-tpoab-hashimoto-s-disease
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Unlike other nutrients such as some vitamins, which can be megadosed without too many problems, the effect of iodine depends on the overall status of the organism. Cofactors are extremely important; if iodine was the problem, the Japanese wouldn't even exist anymore.
Too much iodine in the presence of other halogens in the tissues? You'll have a bad experience.
Too much iodine with a weak antioxidant system? You'll have a bad experienceSince iodothyronines can be used as antioxidants (sometimes even more potent than vitamin C and E), I believe that there is a possibility that a person will experience symptoms of hypothyroidism with high doses of iodine if too much of T3 and T4 are being “hijacked” to be used as antioxidants.
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Since I have this iodine intolerance myself, I'd like to fix it.
As I mentioned in my log thread, I think my halogen exposure is a good deal lower than normal due to almost never eating bromide sources, and getting all my water from a well so I get no chlorine, and no flouride from my drinking, cooking, or bathing water.
But how about the weak antioxidant system idea. Is there a way to measure this to determine if I do have a weak antioxidant system? And what should I do about it?
Do you mean I should take Vit C, Vit E, and Selenium and I would be able to handle high iodine? I have in the past taken Vit C alongside my high iodine diet (I didn't know it was high at the time) and I still felt foggy and slow. My diet has been moderately high in selenium for a long time, but perhaps it needed to be even higher?
Or perhaps I have some unresolved source of inflammation. The only things I can think of are:
- I live in a house that is probably moldy
- I also eat a lot of grain products (all totally free of additives, bromides, and pesticides - much of it is homemade.)
- I have some gum inflammation at times.
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Just a thought - doesn't the typical person's constant exposure to halogens (and goitrogens like soy) make their thyroid take in less iodine? So would that mean that person could handle a higher iodine intake without getting iodine excess problems, since the thyroid isn't actually taking in as much iodine as you would expect?
So maybe I am unusually sensitive to excess iodine BECAUSE I am one of the rare few with quite low halogen exposure.
The elites are putting fluoride in the water to protect you from the iodine they're putting in the milk! (this is a joke)
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@Insr said in Iodine - too much!:
I have some gum inflammation at times.
I'd try green tea mouth bath. I did it with a 15' infusion 3-4 times a day. keep it 3-4' in mouth.
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@Insr said in Iodine - too much!:
doesn't the typical person's constant exposure to halogens (and goitrogens like soy) make their thyroid take in less iodine? So would that mean that person could handle a higher iodine intake without getting iodine excess problems,
If the iodine in unable to reach the gland, you've got less T3 and T4.
Now let's suppose you've taken NDT, the problem will be differed. You feel better for a while (rather in months, sometimes 2-3 or 5 years) ...
To be able to capture iodine, and to dislodge halogens from the thyroid, you have to deal with a 3 side-action, at the same time, under the supervision of your health practitioner because you're going to doubt ...
The technique of sodium saturation (if your kidneys are OK). to pee and evacuate the toxins captured. This is called " Sodium loading protocol". See Lynne Farrow's book for details.
Nutrients are needed too, as Vit A, C B12 D3 E; HD riboflavin & niacin, Zn (+ sufficient Ca Mg Mb)
You have to familiarize with Herxheimer crisis (how to deal with detox when LPS are overloading the liver).
have Iodine K1 and KI (potassium iodine) from Iodorate 12.5 and 50 mg (50 000 mcg).
PS: I'm not going to detail the protocol further.Useful info (from Dr. Vincent Reliquet), I cite him:
The thyroid and skin almost only use iodides of the KI type, or potassium iodide, the form of supplementation found for example in iodized table salt. But the breast, prostate, ovary and brain need molecular iodine type I2. The kidney, spleen, liver, blood, salivary glands, intestines and muscles all require a joint supply in both forms. The fight against cancer, probably also. And all these organs are abandoned to their sad deiodized fate... -
@Insr said in Iodine - too much!:
Since I have this iodine intolerance myself, I'd like to fix it.
As I mentioned in my log thread, I think my halogen exposure is a good deal lower than normal due to almost never eating bromide sources, and getting all my water from a well so I get no chlorine, and no flouride from my drinking, cooking, or bathing water.
But how about the weak antioxidant system idea. Is there a way to measure this to determine if I do have a weak antioxidant system? And what should I do about it?
Do you mean I should take Vit C, Vit E, and Selenium and I would be able to handle high iodine? I have in the past taken Vit C alongside my high iodine diet (I didn't know it was high at the time) and I still felt foggy and slow. My diet has been moderately high in selenium for a long time, but perhaps it needed to be even higher?
Or perhaps I have some unresolved source of inflammation. The only things I can think of are:
- I live in a house that is probably moldy
- I also eat a lot of grain products (all totally free of additives, bromides, and pesticides - much of it is homemade.)
- I have some gum inflammation at times.
How high was your iodine intake before and how much do you consume now?
Well, you could try adding more antioxidants to your diet and see if that helps. In animal studies, they mitigate some of the damage from high iodine intake with vitamin C. But I suspect that you'll have to keep testing to find out where the problem is influencing your redox negatively.
If I have any suspicion of a micronutrient deficiency, I always start with it. But if I don't know I usually start with the micronutrients that can give the best results (in my opinion), so thiamine+magnesium to support the Pentose Phosphate Pathway and NADPH, other B vitamins (if I'm not mistaken, every protocol with iodine adds B2 and/or B3), minerals like potassium, etc..., while I try to support the antioxidant system by offering what's necessary for things like glutathione synthesis, melatonin (I know Peat didn't like it, but I don't have a problem) and if necessary exogenous antioxidants like vitamin C to support that period if it would benefit me.
This isn't medical advice, it's just what I usually do when I'm unwell.
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I had a CT with iodine contrast last week. Afterward I initially felt great actually, really warm and energetic. But this week I feel the worst I've felt in years. Very tired, weak, anhedonic, etc. Suddenly have a very obnoxious double chin! Temp is 97.7 now and I can only get it over 98 if I sugar binge and it doesn't last very long.
I do take small amounts of T3 so I figure I'll just increase my dose by a little bit every day until my temps pop back up. Apparently it can take a month or more after a dose of iodine contrast to get back to baseline iodine levels. I didn't even know ahead of time that I would be getting contrast with the CT to be able to make an informed decision about it. Sigh.
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@amizon said in Iodine - too much!:
I had a CT with iodine contrast last week. Afterward I initially felt great actually, really warm and energetic. But this week I feel the worst I've felt in years.
Logical. Counter-reaction. Your symporters / conveyors were probably asleep when you got the contrast product with iodine. What wasn't used / assimilated (90%) had to be dealt / evacuated. Too much for the liver. So, you felt sick.
Next time (not before 4 weeks), you'll probably assimilate 50 % if you take iodorate (R) 12.5 mg. Need both K2 and IK.
I'd drink 100 ml (3.5 oz) water with 1/4 tsp sodium (1.2 g) and and more water 100 ml x 2 or 3 every 30-45' to go and pee, until you feel better.
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Interesting topic. I've been feeling sluggish for a long time with some hypothyroid-like symptoms, constipation, exercise intolerance, appetite loss etc. For several years I've been using non-iodized salt. Started using some iodized salt recently on a whim, and have gotten some hyper-like effects, more energetic, sleeping a bit less, often warmer. I never really considered it a factor after hearing Ray talk about excess being more of a thing than deficiency given a diet containing eggs, milk, but I don't know. Guess I'll keep using it for a bit and see how it pans out.
Did the naturopath in the OP video provide sources for the low iodine study, anywhere? Couldn't see anything on his website.
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@chosroes said in Iodine - too much!:
Did the naturopath in the OP video provide sources for the low iodine study, anywhere? Couldn't see anything on his website.
I won't watch a video that says iodine above RDA is dangerous . Try to countre-act the mainstream "idea". See the link beneath.
Signs of iodine deficiency
Main signs of iodine deficiency leading to metabolic disorders in adults
Apart from usual symptoms as goiter enlargement, hypothyroidism, impairment of mental function, spontaneous hyperthyroidism in the elderly, Drs David Reliquet and David Minkoff mentions additional symptoms like reduced alertness & slow metabolism leading to fatigue, sluggishness, apathy, depression and insomnia; lack of optimal detoxification, particularly of bromides, fluorides and heavy metals; sensitivity to temperature changes, cold hands and feet; muscle pain, etc.
80. Optimum Health Report #334 – Dr. David Minkoff, Medical Director.
https://www.lifeworkswellnesscenter.com/health-blog/health-products/optimum-health-report-334.html
The Need for Iodine Supplementation - by Wojciech Rychlik, Ph.D.
