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what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?

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    Corngold @risingfire
    last edited by Mar 6, 2025, 3:10 AM

    @risingfire

    even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
    Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen?

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      wester130 @Corngold
      last edited by Mar 6, 2025, 3:05 PM

      @Corngold I honestly don't know.

      Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.

      I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount

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        risingfire @Corngold
        last edited by Mar 6, 2025, 5:01 PM

        @Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens

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          wester130 @risingfire
          last edited by Mar 8, 2025, 11:51 AM

          @risingfire

          "it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."

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            wester130 @wester130
            last edited by Mar 16, 2025, 1:39 PM

            this mentions shbg, insulin and pcos

            https://doctorherdmanclinic.com/resources/articles/womens-health/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-stinging-nettle/

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                  risingfire @wester130
                  last edited by Mar 17, 2025, 5:35 PM

                  @wester130 as I stated before, I don't think male pcos is characterized by high androgens including "excess dht." I've seen females with pcos. They tend to have high estrogen, blood sugar and cortisol. Most likely similar with males.

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                    wester130 @risingfire
                    last edited by Mar 17, 2025, 10:50 PM

                    @risingfire

                    it's neither

                    it's SHBG we want to investigate

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                      risingfire @wester130
                      last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 2:29 PM

                      @wester130 I thought Ray said SHBG should be higher. Don't quote me on that. Are you under the impression that it's lower and it's causing a greater concentration of nose and ear hair?

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                        wester130 @risingfire
                        last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 3:46 PM

                        @risingfire

                        I am under the impression something is causing hyperandrogenism, and it's likely related to SHBG

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                          risingfire @wester130
                          last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 6:27 PM

                          @wester130 have you gotten a blood test recently?

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                            wester130 @risingfire
                            last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 7:08 PM

                            @risingfire they won't test for things like FSH, LH, T and DHT and shbg

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                              risingfire @wester130
                              last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 8:01 PM

                              @wester130 where do you live?

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                                wester130 @risingfire
                                last edited by Mar 18, 2025, 10:55 PM

                                @risingfire uk

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                                  risingfire @wester130
                                  last edited by Mar 19, 2025, 1:37 PM

                                  @wester130 In the US you can take a lot of these tests without doctors approval. Not sure about UK

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