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    what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?

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      risingfire @16charactersitis
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      @16charactersitis I put a lot of time into this idea about two years ago. I don't think those things are really going to move the needle if you truly have the male version of PCOS. You would need DHT, progesterone, thyroid, vitamin D and cypro.

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        risingfire @wester130
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        @wester130 is male PCOS characterized by hyperandrogenism? I think it would be quite the opposite.

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          risingfire @Hando-Jin
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          @Hando-Jin The 4 riders of the Cortisol Apocalypse

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            wester130 @Hando-Jin
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            @Hando-Jin https://karger.com/hrp/article-abstract/65/2/106/372778/Liquorice-in-Moderate-Doses-Does-Not-Affect-Sex?redirectedFrom=fulltext

            this says it reduces DHEA-S with little impact on Testosterone

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              wester130 @risingfire
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              @risingfire

              The problem is an overactive adrenal gland mostly

              I think it is too much DHEA-S but testosterone is normal

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                risingfire @wester130
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                @wester130 I generally view that as a sign of balding. Too much prolactin

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                  Corngold @risingfire
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                  @risingfire

                  even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
                  Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen?

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                    wester130 @Corngold
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                    @Corngold I honestly don't know.

                    Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.

                    I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount

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                      risingfire @Corngold
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                      @Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens

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                        wester130 @risingfire
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                        @risingfire

                        "it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."

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                          wester130 @wester130
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                          this mentions shbg, insulin and pcos

                          https://doctorherdmanclinic.com/resources/articles/womens-health/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-stinging-nettle/

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                                risingfire @wester130
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                                @wester130 as I stated before, I don't think male pcos is characterized by high androgens including "excess dht." I've seen females with pcos. They tend to have high estrogen, blood sugar and cortisol. Most likely similar with males.

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                                  wester130 @risingfire
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                                  @risingfire

                                  it's neither

                                  it's SHBG we want to investigate

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                                    risingfire @wester130
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                                    @wester130 I thought Ray said SHBG should be higher. Don't quote me on that. Are you under the impression that it's lower and it's causing a greater concentration of nose and ear hair?

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                                      wester130 @risingfire
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                                      @risingfire

                                      I am under the impression something is causing hyperandrogenism, and it's likely related to SHBG

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                                        risingfire @wester130
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                                        @wester130 have you gotten a blood test recently?

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                                          wester130 @risingfire
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                                          @risingfire they won't test for things like FSH, LH, T and DHT and shbg

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                                            risingfire @wester130
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                                            @wester130 where do you live?

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