what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?
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@wester130 I'm sure it would lower prolactin but I'm not sure about cortisol. What is your prolactin at?
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i'm looking into a new idea of male PCOS
so taking things like spearmint, licorice and Vitex to solve it
thoughts?
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@wester130 stay away from licorice, it’s supposed to be highly estrogenic besides messing with your cortisol. I think mint is fine if it suits you, and have heard good things about vitex, so i guess worth a try.
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@risingfire said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:
@wester130 cortisol
pregnenolone
idea labs cortiNon
cyproheptadine
sugar
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@Hando-Jin those would not work for hyperandrogenism
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@wester130 I don't know. You asked for things that lower cortisol, and all of those things do. You won't know without experimentation, I guess.
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@16charactersitis I put a lot of time into this idea about two years ago. I don't think those things are really going to move the needle if you truly have the male version of PCOS. You would need DHT, progesterone, thyroid, vitamin D and cypro.
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@wester130 is male PCOS characterized by hyperandrogenism? I think it would be quite the opposite.
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@Hando-Jin The 4 riders of the Cortisol Apocalypse
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@Hando-Jin https://karger.com/hrp/article-abstract/65/2/106/372778/Liquorice-in-Moderate-Doses-Does-Not-Affect-Sex?redirectedFrom=fulltext
this says it reduces DHEA-S with little impact on Testosterone
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The problem is an overactive adrenal gland mostly
I think it is too much DHEA-S but testosterone is normal
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@wester130 I generally view that as a sign of balding. Too much prolactin
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even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen? -
@Corngold I honestly don't know.
Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.
I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount
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@Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens
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"it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."
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this mentions shbg, insulin and pcos
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@wester130 as I stated before, I don't think male pcos is characterized by high androgens including "excess dht." I've seen females with pcos. They tend to have high estrogen, blood sugar and cortisol. Most likely similar with males.