Iodine as a game changer
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@Mossy said in Iodine as a game changer:
@yerrag
Very interesting. I didn't realize (or I had forgotten) that you were on @Jam 's protocol. I was on that thread on RPF and was desperately wanting to be able to take SSKI for that specific reason — to avoid periodontal disease. I did test it, but as with everything I get heavy side effects. I did try both ingesting the SSKI and using it only as a mouth wash. Maybe I didn't give the latter a fair chance, and I was influenced by negative effects from ingesting it, but last I recall I did get hypo effects, i.e., crushing fatigue, after getting what I'd call a boost in physical and mental energy.That is amazing, that you've gotten the exact results I was hoping for. On my long list of "need to try again", is SSKI.
I guess a lot comes into play that we don't fully understand and our reaction to different substances vary. I am not speaking with certainty but with probability put into consideration here. It could be that for the past 15 years, I have been practicing my own way of supplementation thru eating a diversity of food. This is after living for 16 years in the US and while there I realized I needed a lot of supplementation because I don't trust the food supply chain to be able to provide enough diversity of nutritional inputs. It is made worse when the economics of food production there is a veritable race to the bottom in terms of nutrition. There is a lot of quantity with quality taking a backseat. But the quality I speak of is not so much about not getting sick from eating contaminated foods but more about the nutritional contents of these food.
I think that when the food supply allows me to seek the diversity of nutrients I need, and I eat from that food supply, I am going to make myself more likely to be free of deficiencies. When that aspect is covered, I can rely on my body to utilize what it gets from my food lifestyle, and fill out pockets of vulnerabilities that arise from deficiency. The more pockets are filled out, the more robust I can be and the more impervious I am to sensitivities that come from being deficient.
As much as we think we know what our body needs due to discoveries in science and medicine and health, there are also many nutrients we don't know of that is given to us in a diet of diversity such as trace minerals. When what we eat is farmed out of poor land that has been deprived of diversity due to excess use of industrial fertilizers and pesticides, we cannot say we get the same amount of nourishment when we eat the same food that comes from good soil and good bodies of water. farm raised salmon, for example, compared to wild salmon, is a night and day difference.
Just take copper alone. It is said that copper is one substance that is hard to supplement with. As we don't know for sure what is considered the right amount to take. Without that knowledge, we are never sure if we supplement copper that we are not taking enough of it or that we are taking too much of it. Lacking it we may not produce enough copper-based enzymes and having too much makes copper toxic to us.
But a way out is to eat food rich in copper. Ray speaks of shrimp, but I avoid shrimp because even in an archipelago I love in where shrimp is native in seawater and feed off natural sources, it is getting harder and harder to find such shrimp. But getting farm raised shrimp is not a good alternative, as farm raised shrimp, while it still has copper, is likely loaded with the cheap components used to make shrimp food. Plus it has plenty of antibiotics to ensure shrimps survive long enough to be caught and harvested and sold for a profit.
But I don't anymore rely on eating shrimp nowadays but buy tiny crustaceans called "alamang" or "tagunton." Alamang is the saltwater while tagunton is the freshwater version, which I like eating when made into a tasty omelette dish, especially for breakfast.
I had an experiment where before I began, I measured my serum ceruloplasmin, and then for a year I ate with enough regularity these crustaceans. A year later, I had my ceruloplasmin measured. I saw my ceruloplasmin go from low of reference at 21 to a high of red range at 31. This showed me how effective it is to rely on food to prevent deficiencies or excess from occurring.
I'm not suggesting anyone move from the US to the Philippines or a place with a more diverse supply of food but there has to be something each of us can do to overcome the limitations of geography and the food supply ecosystem that developed around it.
@LucH's reply to you offers some possible approaches to help you overcome your adverse reaction to iodine. The reactions you feel may not be necessarily bad if they are healing reactions to having iodine. It may be that you have to get your body accustomed to iodine. One way is to start at very low doses and then from there, gradually work your way up.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
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@visalibero said in Iodine as a game changer:
@yerrag hi yerrag!!!!! I think the definitive proof that mouthwash is as effective as ingestion can be seen after 3-6 months. you've already experienced that it works by ingesting it!
Where are you at? Are you doing mouthwash only now?
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I really appreciate the in-depth information. I will add this to my notes. Thank you.
I do have Selenomethionine, but it may be outdated by now. I've had it for at least 5 years.
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@yerrag
That is an interesting take, and one that is consistent with other success stories I've heard — where one's diet brought them back from a point of deficiency, allowing for success that otherwise would not be possible. As you say, a lot does come into play, but at the very least, high quality food — that which normally would need to come from outside the corporate food monopoly — should be objective #1. I have been positioning myself for that, over the last several years, but I'm not 100% free yet, from the corporate food manufacturing system. Though, I have been able to eat as whole food as possible, though just not from my own garden yet, or from local farms. Little by little I hope to get there.I hear you on farmed sea food. I do look for wild caught, but due to budget constraints I need to wait for it to go on sale. Sea food is probably my least eaten food, simply due to price. Though, i do like it.
Alamang sound interesting. I'll have to look those up.
@LucH @yerrag
After a quick search I see my original understanding of iodide and iodine was lacking, to say the least. I thought they were distinct from each other. But this quote helps to clarify: "... iodide is the ionic form of iodine." -
@yerrag I'm not using anything right now. I did a 10-day cycle of 300 mg doxycycline and it doesn't seem to be much better, in fact.
The SSKI I bought is hurting my teeth and it had turned orange... even though it was initially transparent. Maybe it's a defective product! Tomorrow I should start with diluted sodium hypochlorite that a dentist friend got me. To rinse. I think it's essentially bleach. I always use erythritol and xylitol after meals. It helps a little but I feel like the disease hasn't stopped.
It seems impossible to get chlorine dioxide here in Italy. It's much more difficult here. Even SSKI requires a doctor's prescription to get it. It took me a month to find a doctor who would prescribe me doxycycline.
And at customs they block the orders and send the goods back.
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@visalibero said in Iodine as a game changer:
@yerrag I'm not using anything right now. I did a 10-day cycle of 300 mg doxycycline and it doesn't seem to be much better, in fact.
The SSKI I bought is hurting my teeth and it had turned orange... even though it was initially transparent. Maybe it's a defective product! Tomorrow I should start with diluted sodium hypochlorite that a dentist friend got me. To rinse. I think it's essentially bleach. I always use erythritol and xylitol after meals. It helps a little but I feel like the disease hasn't stopped.
It seems impossible to get chlorine dioxide here in Italy. It's much more difficult here. Even SSKI requires a doctor's prescription to get it. It took me a month to find a doctor who would prescribe me doxycycline.
And at customs they block the orders and send the goods back.
It's hard to imagine how restrictive Italian health restrictions are. It must reflect the state of the EU now.
It seems that you need to go away from the EU as s prerequisite to getting meaningful healing done.¹
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag up until 6 months ago it wasn't like this. now it seems impossible to get certain categories of products delivered.
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since you're not that far away from Germany or Switzerland, being in Milan, would a trip there and back allow you to get some substances that are sold there?
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@yerrag said in Iodine as a game changer:
at customs they block the orders and send the goods back.
All hormones are blocked from outside Europe.
The control has been heavier since 2025 January. Before, TVA (added value fee / tax) was not due under 150 €, all costs included (carrier). No order above 150 € or you get problems.
Now if the TVA has not been paid by the sender, it takes much more time and is often more complicated (extra fee must bee paid before delivering). A detailed bordereau must be joined.
If you order unapproved molecules (hormones), the packaged will be destroyed or send back to the seller, but on the second time you'll be "punished" by the law. -
@LucH
I would like to get sski or chlorine dioxide.not hormones!
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@visalibero said in Iodine as a game changer:
I would like to get sski or chlorine dioxide.
Sski Potassium Iodide Liquid 250 mcg
https://www.amazon.com/sski-potassium-iodide-liquid/s?k=sski+potassium+iodide+liquid
Bottle 30 ml, 250 mcg/1 drop. As potassium iodide oral solution, USP. Very expensive.You’ve got the same product with Life-flo on iherb.com, 59 ml (2 oz.) for +/ 7.5 €.
150 mcg / 1 drop.
NB: Do not leave open. 3 months validity (evaporation when liquid)When you want more; I’d take optimox iodoral 12.5 mg (12 500 mcg)
Choice between 6.25 or 12.5 or 50 mg, 90 or 120 scored tablets.
https://ci.iherb.com/search?sug=iodoral 12%2C5&kw=iodoral 12%2C5&rank=2&rawkw=iodorale 12.5&refererLocation=suggestionNote: If you want to use dioxide chlorine for mouth wash, I’d prefer to do it / try it first with green tea. 10-15’ 1 tsp infused. Only with green tea. 3-4 times/day for 3-4 minutes. Wait 4-6 days before results.
Combine with iodine potassium, but progressively if ingested, to avoid Wolff-Chaikoff effect.Before paying, verify the option Added fee (European Tax) has been taken into account.
