The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs
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@lobotomize-me said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
he dominates every room.
bruh
what do you mean? he's just a well-paid content clown. he's like Jesse Eisenberg but "tough." Charisma is a two-way street - it requires an attentive audience, friend, girl, whatever. Some people generate that without trying, others have to work at it. internet and ad deals give many average people the illusion of being charismatic, just like actors (Eisenberg's characters would be neurotic incel freak losers in real life, but he seems smart in movies).as far as SSRIs, I'm not sure what to make of this. many people start them, and stay on them. I've read people usually struggle if they change prescriptions or stop taking them. I've heard people feel like zombies and emotionless, but I've heard others get very giddy which I think you're saying he's a bit of, but also charming.
I don't really see anything special about this guy's performance.
So many people are taking this stuff or similar meds without scrips like adderall.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624 -
@Corngold As I mentioned in my post, when I said "dominates," I didn’t mean that he commands everyone around or shouts black pill stuff at women on his dating shows. What I meant is that he’s the funniest person in any room, it’s so obvious and undeniable that even audiences on other channels can’t get enough of him.
I know reviewing online comedians can be tricky, and it’s hard to draw clear lines between them and others. But as I said, whenever he appears on other shows, the comment sections go wild. Even when he's with what I’d call weaker competitors (other comedians), he still stands out easily.
I also understand that many people feel zombified on SSRIs, which is why it confused me to learn that he’s on them. That’s what led me to do some research specifically on Lexapro. I came across several posts, even on lowtoxinforum.com, where people reported great results from taking it at much lower doses than what doctors typically prescribe as an "active dose" (I believe it was around 3 mg). The only common downside they mentioned was about a week of withdrawal symptoms when stopping. So, like I said, I wanted to revive the discussion around the potential of certain SSRIs to help with anxiety and social inhibition, especially at lower doses
Link:https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/5mg-escitalopram-lexapro-effectively-cured-my-anxiety.32132/
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@Rah1woot Strong or weak, people don't need steroids but will taking steroids make them stronger? Does it matter whether they were strong or weak before if they are now the strongest on stage among other steroid users?
He might be better or funnier without the SSRI, but compared to most other comedians ( whose job is to be the funniest and most entertaining in the room) he still has an edge due to his lower social inhibition. Based on my own experiences and observations while testing different drugs, nootropics, etc., I believe social inhibition depends entirely on the body, not just crystallized knowledge. For example, even if I take something that makes me funny and socially uninhibited for six months (combined with something like Noopept or a racetam, which theoretically enhances learning), once I stop (factoring in a two week withdrawal period) my social anxiety, inhibition, and poor sense of humor come right back
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@lobotomize-me said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
which is why it confused me to learn that he’s on them
When in rome.
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lb almost everyone is pulling a trick. Depends what you're going for. I drink a lot of coffee, not sure how I'd "function" without it.
You could try this. Quietly. Without trying to make a point and convince anyone it's a good idea generally.
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@ThinPicking Hey thank you for the advice. I'm not trying to prove a point, just trying to offer some food for thought. Maybe some SSRIs do have potential, and I wanted to start a discussion about why or how some people still function so well (or even better than others) socially while on them
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@ThinPicking ? Wdym
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@lobotomize-me said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
Maybe some SSRIs do have potential
Potential for what. There's obviously a reason they've been wildly "successful" in terms of patient compliance. But that's not without context and collateral damage.
I found Ray's work in the middle of a stint on tryptophan and st johns wort. To try to arrest the consequences of corporate grind and social performance. They put me in the strangest "state" I've probably ever been in.
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It's a joke lb but also. You can forgive yourself to an extent. There's something wrong with the configuration of the state around you. Just don't rest on that and assume you don't need to move on too.
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@lobotomize-me as thinpick said, I was reading Peat and others partly because of huge contradictions around Prozac and this stuff. As you said it may help people but how and why are two different things. It can also have adverse effects long term. These things won't change your personality in a good way.
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SSRIs have a side effect which is to increase neurogenesis and it usually takes a while for this to happen, they attribute the positive effects to serotonin but it is probably neurogenesis that is responsible, over time I believe that the consequences outweigh the benefits and we already know what happens to most. The response is individual, some take longer and others sooner.
LSD, DMT, psilocybin, etc., basically work in the same way involving BDNF and TrKB receptors, and if used correctly should probably have far fewer side-effects. The “childlike playfulness” sometimes attributed to serotonin is actually the result of neurogenesis, in my opinion.
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Different SSRIs can act in different ways, and the effects vary person to person. Half the time they don’t work. Sometimes it ends up actually lowering serotonin. Sometimes it just cranks their cortisol which could actually make them feel good at first. The high serotonin can also increase allopregnanolone which is neuroprotective and give you that can’t be bothered feeling. I felt that when I smoked a ton of weed regularly.
The boost in allopregnanolone is probably a defense mechanism to deal with large amounts of brain serotonin though, not like a healthy thing
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@lobotomize-me I’ve been on ssris and they make you not want to talk to people I also suffer with PSSD now. Would not recommend.
No drug wil really cure your social anxiety the only way through social anxiety is to feel the fear and go through it. No pill no supplement no vitamin will cure your soul -
@gg12 >no drug will cure social anxiety
I mean if having a good metabolism through the use of something like t3 or etc is a drug then your statement is completely wrong
someone with a good metabolism and if that is caused from aspirin or t3 or something is way less likely to have social anxiety
the idea that some sorts of therapies are required like psychologist or some sort of mental technique is -- the latter is closer to the truth than former because good energy allows good mental techniques much easier. the former is useless past the basics without good metabolic tendencies
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@lobotomize-me OP I watched some more clips of that guy and the fact you look up to that behavior is funny and in line with your previous neuroses postings where you list 100 supplements and activities you do to optimize
nothing ive seen from him is legitimately funny, it's "funny" sure and I guess everyone has different tastes in entertainment and comedy, there is important information in how he looks and how he behaves. his eyes betray a sadness even though he is being "energetic" and outgoing. I know a guy who became a drug addict who looked just like him including the sad / empty look in his eyes
https://www.tiktok.com/@zachjustice/video/7486033591256878379
look at that clip. do you really find that funny?
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@eduardo-crispino It makes sense that he has some clips where he’s just downright babbling no one can be constantly upbeat and funny 24/7. Even the happiest/most energetic people, when forced in long conversations where they’re carrying the weight of it, experience short drops in brain activity. That can lead them to either say something they think is funny (but isn’t) or fall silent for a few seconds.
I believe the manner I started this thread was incorrect, because I am not here to discuss him. Rather I wanted to discuss the potential of SSRIs beyond raising serotonin (which we acknowledge is mostly harmful)
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@lobotomize-me he may be entertaining to some, but the feeling I get from watching him is that he's unwell. And that is throughout his videos, not just an isolated case.
I wanted to discuss the potential of SSRIs beyond raising serotonin (which we acknowledge is mostly harmful)
I've read fluoxetine can increase allopregnanolone in doses lower than needed for significant serotonin reuptake inhibiton, so maybe that could work. But I have no experience with it and don't know of it's safety.
Some things can give a net benefit despite also acting as an SRI, but I doubt it's worth exploring usual SSRI medications. But if you come across something that seems beneficial but is also an SRI, you might not want to dismiss it right away. Just be careful.
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@gg12 said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
No drug wil really cure your social anxiety the only way through social anxiety is to feel the fear and go through it. No pill no supplement no vitamin will cure your soul
@gg12 said in Passionflower and OCD: personal experiences:
I honestly have stopped taking anything for my ocd. I just need to learn to accept my thoughts as thoughts... It is brutal but I cant use a life long crutch I hae to face my demons so I can stop being controlled by fear and accept uncertainty.
While I do think this kind of mentality is better than giving up or delegating all of your health decisions to a "professional", it's still very limiting. There's research on various substances showing that they can help with anxiety. Here's just one:
Even if you don't want to depend on an external aid, temporary usage can still assist in making long-lasting changes. We can use OCD as an example.
The usual therapy for OCD is exposure and response prevention (ERP) where the patient is exposed to things that trigger OCD, and they are supposed to avoid responding to this. But if a person experiences immense anxiety from not doing the OCD ritual, it can be very difficult, possibly impossible. Additionally, mental stress itself is harmful to health. If the patient is given something that reduces their anxiety, they might be able to progress through the therapy easier, faster and with less stress. And that being said...
@NoeticJuice said in Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum) eliminated OCD:
15 days since my last dose of kanna and my OCD is still only around 1% of what it used to be at it's worst
When I took it, I took it with the intention to free myself of OCD. When I noticed that I finally had the chance to choose differently, I had the determination to break the loop. Make of this what you will.
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@NoeticJuice Yo I actually really like that idea. Also bro where can I get kanna also Im gonna try taking NAC
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@gg12 said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
where can I get kanna
Vendor List from r/Kanna
I only have experience with two different extracts, both from BioExtracts. One of them is Classic Sceletium Extract and the other one is FS5.
I tried Classic Sceletium Extract first and it was not effective for my OCD. I tried FS5 a few days later and it was very effective. Not all kanna is the same. Below is their alkaloid contents for comparison.
Classic Sceletium Extract has a total alkaloid content of 6%, out of which:
- 60% is mesembrine
- 20% is mesembrenone
- 20% is delta-7-mesembrenone
FS5 has a total alkaloid content of 5%, out of which:
- 25% is mesembrine
- 40% is mesembrenone
- 20% is delta-7-mesembrenone
- 15% are other alkaloids
I recommend reading more about kanna, including people's experiences with it, before trying it. But keep in mind that, based on what I've read, it seems like most people are using higher mesembrine extracts and using it for recreational, rather than therapeutic, effects.
You can find some general info about kanna from here:
- FAQ, dosages and general information
- All You Need to Know About Kanna's Pharmacology
- All You Need to Know About the Risks, Withdrawals, and Safety of Kanna
The linked posts may have some inaccuracies, but it's good enough for practical purposes.
The link below is possibly relevant to mesembrenone specifically, and the main reason why I decided to try kanna in the first place, but it's not important for the practical use of it, neither is it really even about it. Read it if interested, skip it otherwise.
You can read about my experience with kanna here:
I'm wary of using it daily since it does contain alkaloids that inhibit serotonin reuptake, but I might try it some time in the future just as an experiment. After some experimentation, I now use it once every 3 days.
@gg12 said in The funniest/most charming guy i ever seen is on SSRIs:
also Im gonna try taking NAC
If you're going to try both, I recommed trying one first for a period of time, then trying the other. This way you can develop a feel for the supplements, both for their potential positives and negatives.
I hope this helps.
