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    • MauritioM
      Mauritio @CrumblingCookie
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      @CrumblingCookie nice one.
      Maybe the greasiness is from the chloride, which I don't use .

      Do you not get weird rancid butter smell from the butyrate. I have dropped it from the newest batch.

      I get a great cosmetic effect still. It doesn't seem to work everyday but most days. It's like a hair gel /wax strengthener .

      I also feel like my scalp is more flexible and I can wiggle it around more easily.

      Not sure if it decreased hair loss in general.

      Dare to think.

      My X:
      x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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        CrumblingCookie @Mauritio
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        @Mauritio said:

        Do you not get weird rancid butter smell from the butyrate

        Not at all. I had also used the butyrate suspended in water on my arms before and it was fine. Smell-wise it only slightly lingers when blended into oils. Maybe others with a selectively different sense of smell would disagree. Disappointing that you've given up on the topical butyrate as I would have liked to read more from your experience with it.

        I get a great cosmetic effect still. It's like a hair gel /wax strengthener .

        Could it be that we are referring to the same observation? The kind of coating or dry, non-sticky look of greasiness I mean could also be described as a fashionable surfer-style to out-of-bed-look. I agree the hair feels and looks smooth and nice immediately after application, easy to comb and accentuate and antistatic, i.e non-frizzy.

        I also feel like my scalp is more flexible and I can wiggle it around more easily.
        Not sure if it decreased hair loss in general.

        Generally I've noticed much less hair loss since applying this blend. It's almost as much as before on some days, though, annoyingly.

        I'm definitely liking the lactic acid. The scalp seems smoother and less dry after regular use. I've looked through reviews online of pure LA drops and many people use it to rub their faces with, reporting smoother and fuller skin.

        Intuitively I'd still like an alternative to the ethanol as a preservative and feel there's more immediate leeway for improving the scalp skin barrier and therefore the endogenous nutrient homeostasis. I don't want to obtain and store every possible substance but still perhaps blend in either something like those apple polyphenols or flavonoids like apigenin as a complementary (and definitely non-smelly) HDACi.

        Another thought is, that if there's a reason to (always or specifically) suspect aforementioned inflammatory fungal influences I should really trial adding that pirocton olamine. Especially since the extra topical glucose would feed them too (and first).

        @Gardner said:

        So many ingredients . How are you going to pinpoint what exactly helps if anything helps?

        The bottom list is still ideas to look through by me, or by you, or by any reader. Essentially, I'm currently only applying dextrose, LA, butyrate, KCl.

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          Gaston @Gaston
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          @Gaston I want to correct my earlier comment in which I said that Alpha Ketoglutarate was odorous. It was actually potassium bicarbonate which was responsible for the odor. The L-Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate is very water soluble and has been easy to use, if anyone wants to try it.

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            LetTheRedeemed
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            Peaty symptom: my scalp is consistently warm now… it used to always be cool.

            I also massage my scalp 10 minutes a day.

            The last few days it was hot to the touch!

            In combo with massage I find the scalp even more pliable.

            I just use dextrose, alcohol, and a few drops of glycerin (from coconut).

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              CrumblingCookie @LetTheRedeemed
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              @LetTheRedeemed said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

              I just use dextrose, alcohol, and a few drops of glycerin (from coconut).

              In what concentrations? Thanks

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                wester130 @LetTheRedeemed
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                @LetTheRedeemed

                thoughts on this type of head massage, it's called compression massage

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                • MauritioM
                  Mauritio @CrumblingCookie
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                  @CrumblingCookie said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:

                  Could it be that we are referring to the same observation? The kind of coating or dry, non-sticky look of greasiness I mean could also be described as a fashionable surfer-style to out-of-bed-look. I agree the hair feels and looks smooth and nice immediately after application, easy to comb and accentuate and antistatic, i.e non-frizzy.

                  That actually could be. As my hair is getting longer I like it less. Maybe it's better for short hair. Or maybe the cosmetic benefits lessen because I added potassium bicarbonate...will try it out.

                  Dare to think.

                  My X:
                  x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                    AinmBeo @wester130
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                    @wester130
                    Where did you see this for sale?

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                      wester130 @AinmBeo
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                      @AinmBeo

                      ebay

                      there are 4 growband compression massagers I am aware of

                      cheap chinese version: 30 dollars

                      Renpho version: about 60 dollars

                      NNETM Scalp Massager: about 150 dollars

                      hairguard growband: 400 dollars

                      based on all of this, the Renpho compression scalp headband looks best

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                        LetTheRedeemed @wester130
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                        @wester130 I do it by hand. I would suggest something that hits the whole top of the scalp. Ideally you get a wife to do it — God totally placed boobs and head hair in the perfect spot for many nights of turtledoving XD

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                          LetTheRedeemed @CrumblingCookie
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                          @CrumblingCookie i eyed it to approximate amounts as Mauritio’s comment.

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                            wester130 @LetTheRedeemed
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                            @LetTheRedeemed

                            i disagree, pinching the top of your scalp is impossible, especially if it is already damaged by fibrosis

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