Cravings - cheese and fat intake
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I have reduced my fat intake a lot, and have felt no negatives. However, I find it incredibly easy to consume large amounts of cheese, with this usually being generic store-bought cheddar or brie.
It's not at the point where I'm breaking into the fridge to eat half a wheel, but once I've started slicing, I would find it very easy to consume 100g+ of cheese in one sitting.
Could there be a nutritional explanation behind this?
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@ShiftGear said in Cravings - cheese and fat intake:
Could there be a nutritional explanation behind this?
Most likely not. It's a sensory thing, we recognize fat is delicious. It's easily the most addictive macronutrient. When I was doing keto many years ago, my most favorite food to eat was frying up fatty chunks off a steak or chuck. I actually got a local farmer to sell me a bag of pure fat for "rendering." I didn't care about rendering it, I wanted to fry it up. Just pure fat in the skillet and seared. I could eat a whole plate of that shit. I suppose there's an evolutionary reason for this, fat being the most calorically dense macro, it would've been essential to our survival.
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Thank you for your response. Because it is so calorically dense, compulsive fat intake seems like something I need to stay vigilant about.
I didn't notice any negatives from swapping to semi-skimmed from full-fat pasteurised milk. Keeping fat under 60-80g is difficult however.
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A 12 minute video - The Science of Cheese Addiction
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@ShiftGear low-fat dairy is one of the better ways to cut down on the fat calories. Leaner cuts of meat too. Instead of that 85/15 hamburger opt for the 93/7 hamburger. When you do need to use fat, for like cooking or something, use coconut oil as it's less likely to disturb glucose oxidation with all the MCTs in it. I've personally noticed even if I eat a slightly higher amount of fat it doesn't bother my weight if it's coconut oil. I'm someone who historically been able to put on weight really easily if I'm not strict about my nutrition too.
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@ShiftGear Yeah I get the same thing, with lots of fatty stuff. I find the better my metabolism is the more the cravings get replaced with cravings for grape juice and skim milk.
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@ShiftGear perhaps this is the negative. I have been pondering that maybe going super low fat isn't the best. If your body is telling you that you need more fat, then just add more in.
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Blog post from Michael Allen Smith who did a Peat inspired/Matt Stone-ified increase in body temp and metabolism lists cheese as the number 1 warming food. I think this is because of the high calcium, saturated fat, protein, and salt content. It is a pretty good combination of prometabolic factors, especially if you pair it with a carb source like bread or tortillas.
https://criticalmas.org/2013/04/turn-up-the-heat-1-month-update/
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@ShiftGear i dont think cheese will actually make you fat though, the dairy fat is pro metabolic . i sometimes eat a pint or two of full fat ice cream a night for a couple weeks, i get slightly fatter but not much, and it comes off almost immediately after i stop. i dont think dairy fat is the kind of fat that is damaging like pufas from vegetable oils can be
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@sushi_is_cringe You can still easily get fat from totally clean homemade ice cream, believe me ive done it myself
Also ive seen lots of new peaters get fat by eating too much dairy fat (butter, cream, cheese, milk, ice cream) on top of all the sugar theyre adding. I find it the easiest to stay lean on HCLF keeping fat <40-50g per day and usually putting it all into one meal.
The earth speaks to us all, Just listen
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@serotoninskeptic said in Cravings - cheese and fat intake:
@sushi_is_cringe You can still easily get fat from totally clean homemade ice cream, believe me ive done it myself
Also ive seen lots of new peaters get fat by eating too much dairy fat (butter, cream, cheese, milk, ice cream) on top of all the sugar theyre adding. I find it the easiest to stay lean on HCLF keeping fat <40-50g per day and usually putting it all into one meal.
Why do all of you guys subscribe to the girly mag dichotomy of health? Healthy does not mean 'not fat'.
When I ate the most fat I was the most skinny. Higher fat consumption negatively affects your metabolism (regardless of fat type) and that can have a whole range of effects depending on the person. I personally get lots of adrenalin and burn off the fat fast, causing me to be very skinny and suffer particular medical issues.
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@CO3 I dont think healthy equals “not fat.” Higher body fat percentage is actually positively correlated with longevity. You definitely dont have to be sub 10% BF to be healthy. I was just pointing out my own experience and that dairy fat CAN make you fat. If you care about aesthetics at all this is a problem lol.
Otherwise, saturated fats are great because I can completely overeat them and just feel better. If I ever overate fast food, nuts, processed foods, I felt awful. I can eat like pounds of cheese or tubs of ice cream and just feel better than before (even though it'll make me fat). When I was eating 6000 calories of chocolate ice cream every day, I felt so fucking good. Very strong. +10 lbs on deadlift every session. Made me fat quickly though.
