Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction
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@jamezb46 Yeah evolutionarily this makes sense. For example, if you were a mammal living in a tropical area, and your diet was mainly fruits, you still need to meet a certain protein requirement, despite the fruits being relatively protein deficient.
An animal eating a protein deficient food source would need to eat more food to get sufficient protein. I think the metabolism responds to this -- if your body perceives protein insufficiency, it tells you "okay eat more food bro" and burns off the excess energy. If you have sufficient (or above) protein, this effect completely disappears because the body is like "okay we're good bro stop eating. If its a good idea to hack your body into this high energy expending state i’m unsure but it definitely works.
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Well, whether it’s a good idea depends heavily on whether relatively constant protein consumption throughout the day has enough benefits that restricting protein intake outside a specific time window does more harm than good.
One of the best ways to increase metabolic rate is by building muscle. And I don’t know of any bodybuilders who have countenanced the idea of not eating protein at breakfast and lunch.
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@jamezb46 I think it can work for muscle building purposes if you train in the afternoon around dinner. Or including small amounts of gelatin, or milk, or BCAA as long as its low fat during the day like 10-20g i’ve seen some people including skim milk and still having good results. Even fruit can probably supply enough protein during the day if its really a concern. A gallon of OJ has 32g protein for example. Or just having a big caloric surplus dinner and meeting protein requirements then.
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@Serotoninskeptic I could be crazy, but I wonder if the benefit is just related to the Randle Cycle? Like think about it, the diet is zero fat til dinner. Maybe just staying in carb burning mode, and not lypolisis all day is the key vs protein fasting. I know there’s a lot of research around protein restriction and its health benefits, but as far as weight loss is concerned, eating predominantly carbs, and fasting from fat all day and not alternating back and forth between lypolisis and oxidative phosphorylation is probably more efficient?
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Well, it's more complicated than that. For one, the benefits of protein restriction are probably due to decreased methionine, cysteine, and tryptophan, or more specifically, poor ratios of Glycine/Cysteine, and Tyrosine,Phenylalanine/Tryptophan.
Also, the randle cycle is not as simple as fat vs carbs. Certain fats are more permissive of glucose oxidation than others. For example, Palmitic acid encourages glucose oxidation.
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@jamezb46 Yeah my numbers have stayed the same, some lifts even getting a little stronger, but we'll see how long that lasts as I continue to drop weight. weighted dips and chin-ups have improved, but I'd attribute that to just getting lighter and not losing muscle. I hit a pr on squats last time I went, so maybe I'm eeking out some gains as well.
started at 195 at around 18% BF, gonna drop 10 lbs and see what I'm looking like then start to bulk again, though trying to put on any significant amount of weight is pretty difficult while maintaining good mental clarity and energy in my experience, protein fasting just make me feel so sharp and energized.
another plus I see with the honey diet is that glycogen stores aren't depleted, so your muscles don't look deflated and you don't get that illusory initial drop in water weight like typically caloric deficit diets.
I've made some coconut oil ice cream so I'll probably just slam that and see where it gets me when the time comes
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@jamezb46 Good point on the Randle cycle, often gets misconstrued and to my knowledge, it still isn't fully understood.
Certainly a major benefit is lower levels of inflammatory amino acids, I found that when I eat protein and fat at the end of my day, if I drink some gelatinous broth first, and then have some eggs, cheese, milk, etc my breathing is much clearer and I feel more relaxed, whereas if I go right to eggs and cheese and have broth after, I get clogged up. seems like clear sinuses, for me, are a pretty good proxy for inflammation.
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Would it not be easier and better to eat all the protein for breakfast, and then eat carbs the rest of the day? I squat 200 KGs for reps on a diet of 80-120 Grams of protein.
I remember some autist writing on twitter on the positive correlation between diabetes rates and how late they ate dinner in different shithole countries.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe It wouldnt work the same for FGF21 induction because protein takes like 12 hours before its fully utilized. After eating only sugar your blood glucose will go back to baseline very fast like within 2 hours.
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@Serotoninskeptic Are there any special reasons for why honey should be the main carb source?
Do you do oil pulling or any other acitivity to protect your teeth?
How much calorie deficit are you aiming for, and how many times do you eat in the day?
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@Norwegian-Mugabe I'll swish some water in my mouth after my last meal/sugary drink at 3, but my tongue has felt actually much cleaner doing the honey diet rather than eating mixed macros throughout the day.
a diet that's so low in phosphorus is pretty protective of teeth, and I get all the fatty vitamins essential for good dental health at night with protein.
I basically just eat small meals all day until 3, a squirt of honey right when i wake up, 450g blueberries and some black coffee with sugar, a glass of orange juice, an energy drink, more honey, etc. usually ends up being around 1500-2k cals worth of sugar, ~3500 cals by the end of the day. I don't think there's anything special about honey besides being an easy source of calories.
haven't even thought about doing a "calorie deficit" as the fat loss has been so effortless, I eat to complete satiety outside of the 3-7 fasting window.
that's my experience but I'd love to hear about @Serotoninskeptic experience as well, if it's any different to mine.
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@samson Yeah sounds very similar to my experience.And as far as dental health goes starch and phosphate-rich proteins seem to be much worse for my teeth than sugar.
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@Serotoninskeptic said in Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction:
@samson Yeah sounds very similar to my experience.And as far as dental health goes starch and phosphate-rich proteins seem to be much worse for my teeth than sugar.
Same
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Idk if this was mentioned, but when I restrict protein to evenings, I don’t sleep well at all
