Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists
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@Corngold said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:
On the theme of "coherence" that's what I find interesting. Common wisdom in these times is leading people astray and into darkness as a feature, not a bug, of institutional authoritarianism... anyways, the idea being something like "greens are a super food and good for you." It's the same logic guiding "seed oils are good and heart-healthy." "Nuts have omega-3s and these protect your brain."
So much money has been spent on the wrong "healthful foods" that I used to wonder each time I go to a health food store I began to notice many customers lacking the radiant youthful glow and instead see aging in dry wrinkly facial skin and naturally unkempt and tangled white hair in these stores. It's not a place I'd go to cheer me up with the sight of good looking healthy people not filled with raging hormones.
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@yerrag
Well said.
Even a certain hippie co-op used to sell raw milk, at least I think it was raw because there was like an inch of cream on the top and my goodness...best milk I've ever had. But then the rest of their wares are vegan or eastern veggies and herbs
As for your observation about visible signs of health...
that's an interesting topic.Even the people who eat a lot of pufa, for them to be healthy, it seems like they're generally excited about life. But that's rare. I rarely see or know of anyone who has energy and enjoyment in life who also eats heavy PUFA, processed foods. And, as you said, many people who follow keto / vegetarian-ish food-ways I feel are generally unstable energetically.
Not exactly the right thread but:
Have you heard of these two things? Maybe you can help or I could start a new thread.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Longevity_Project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study
The latter one is interesting, in that the author, T. Colin Cambell, claims dairy and meat are driving heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.
This would be similar to the "Pure, White, Deadly" Yudkin book/thesis that "sugar bad." In one book, he strengthened an anti-meat anti-dairy agenda. I'm sure it's connected in some way to WEF / Gates / CFR type funding to lay the psychological groundwork for de-growth and destruction of farms.Since Peat was apparently hip to China and Communism, I wonder why he never talked about this book?
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@Corngold said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:
Since Peat was apparently hip to China and Communism, I wonder why he never talked about this book?
I think it's about economy. I like that he never preached about organic. It's already known to people that organic is good, and him talking about it does less than him talking about the dangers the "organic crowd" are frequently not aware of. Such as sugar is not evil. And PUFA is not all healthful.
He also prefers to talk about under the radar but toxic substances involving persorption and toxins such as endotoxins. And soluble fiber not being the right answer to poor bowel movement, but adequate magnesium stores. -
I don't know, yerrag. He did hours of shows with Roddy & Dinkov, where they got in the weeds in terms of politics, finance, conspiracy, and other "fear-mongering" for lack of a batter term.
All I'm saying is I remember this stuff, "Forks Over Knives," Michael Pollan, and the big food/health complex existing for years before like 2020.
I believe he did mention it a few times, or commented on it or similar Chinese studies.
https://bioenergetic.life/?q=china+study
Anyways, it's just strange to me, given that I would expect him to want to defend meat and dairy, generally, and possibly find where the study went wrong in their assumptions (if it did!). I wonder if soy feed is the culprit as far as how pork and cows are being fed. The overconsumption of protein cuts and dairy could in fact be bad. But, the study was in 1983.
I wonder if the areas in question were electrified yet following Firstenberg's observations of electricity and cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. But, once again, I sense that pufa oil and soy feed, rural diets, and electricity are all acting in concert around the time of the study.
This paper seems to have some info on rural electrification of China.
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@yerrag said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:
organic is good, and him talking about it does less than him talking about the dangers the "organic crowd" are frequently not aware of. Such as sugar is not evil. And PUFA is not all healthful.
Only issue I have is that "organic" I think is fairly fraudulent. I think it's been shown by many people that the products are either the same, or differ only in very slight variations in production... i.e., grass being thrown to indoor dairy cows, the grass probably being tainted and sprayed anyways; things like this. It's a money-grab.
I agree with your other points. I still wonder about the difference between walnut pufa and canola oil pufa; it seems inaccurate saying walnuts are just as damaging as canola oil. That said, I usually get mouth sores and irritation eating walnuts or almonds and therefore avoid them.
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@Corngold said in Clearing up the Confusion about Oxalate Lists:
I don't know, yerrag. He did hours of shows with Roddy & Dinkov, where they got in the weeds in terms of politics, finance, conspiracy, and other "fear-mongering" for lack of a batter term.
All I'm saying is I remember this stuff, "Forks Over Knives," Michael Pollan, and the big food/health complex existing for years before like 2020.
I believe he did mention it a few times, or commented on it or similar Chinese studies.
https://bioenergetic.life/?q=china+study
Anyways, it's just strange to me, given that I would expect him to want to defend meat and dairy, generally, and possibly find where the study went wrong in their assumptions (if it did!). I wonder if soy feed is the culprit as far as how pork and cows are being fed. The overconsumption of protein cuts and dairy could in fact be bad. But, the study was in 1983.
I wonder if the areas in question were electrified yet following Firstenberg's observations of electricity and cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. But, once again, I sense that pufa oil and soy feed, rural diets, and electricity are all acting in concert around the time of the study.
This paper seems to have some info on rural electrification of China.
I don't expect Peat to dip his toes into every nook and cranny. Just too many bugs and vermins to be dealing with. Best to narrow one's scope, and that's what Peat has done. You can't be Atlas and carry all the world in your shoulder. Still, even by narrowing his scope, his message easily gets watered down.
He hates behind defined and pigeonholed by the term Ray Peat Diet because that has the connotations of a one size fit all approach, and he loathes such an approach because context is key.
I think he isn't one to want his brand diluted by being just like the others who lack his coherence in messaging.
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