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Bryan Johnson cooling himself for longevity? Waking temp of 93.4. Seems like a bad idea

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    SpaceManJim
    last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 3:33 PM

    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1859962709988798824?t=KGCHEIo5VYbLEbwjQFd2xQ&s=19

    Here's a study he cites:

    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1859980688520564954?t=83yeQBngnlPuIiIuqTOz9Q&s=19

    I think this is a poor approach. We need to dig out those sources about caloric restriction not necessarily being the longevity panacea that people think. IIRC it was the restriction of other nutrients that actually helped, not lower calories.

    Johnson's influence and following is potentially going to lead to really poor outcomes in others. A major issue is that Johnson is not natural, i.e. he takes exogeneous hormones that others won't want to do (or even realize). He needs them because his odd diet and extreme supplementation regime cannot support healthy testosterone levels.

    The one good thing I think he does is preach the importance of consistent good sleep. Otherwise I'm not so sure on this guy.

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      Peatful
      last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 4:19 PM

      He is so unwell.

      The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

      SD

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        Gardner @Peatful
        last edited by Gardner Nov 22, 2024, 4:54 PM Nov 22, 2024, 4:52 PM

        His goal is different , he is aiming at longevity . I guess he wants to bring himself to a reptile like temperature/metabolism so he can live to 200 or 300 yo and then even longer and passively (low stress) observe how humanity develops. He can afford low stress life.

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          SpaceManJim @Gardner
          last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 5:02 PM

          @Gardner how is lowering his metabolic rate going to help with longevity? What happens when he gets sick or injured?

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            A Former User @SpaceManJim
            last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 5:06 PM

            who? never heard of him

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              Hearthfire @SpaceManJim
              last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 5:14 PM

              @SpaceManJim

              It'll be interesting to compare how this dude looked compared to someone like SolBrah, when SolBrah reaches the same age.

              Bryan Johnson doesn't look like he de-aged. He looks like a very unnatural 47 year old. There are 50-55+ year olds that look younger and more healthy. Chuando Tan for example. Heck, even someone like Hideo Kojima, well into his 50's he looked like he was 30 years old, and still looks better than most 35 year olds.

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                Gardner @SpaceManJim
                last edited by Gardner Nov 22, 2024, 6:22 PM Nov 22, 2024, 5:24 PM

                @SpaceManJim said in Bryan Johnson cooling himself for longevity? Waking temp of 93.4. Seems like a bad idea:

                @Gardner how is lowering his metabolic rate going to help with longevity? What happens when he gets sick or injured?

                He would be already sick and injured because he's been pursuing this quite a while. He probably knows more than what we think of him. He definitely won't share all his secrets. There will be more peope like him and they don't want everyone to live to 300 yo. He may even fake his death at some point so everybody says...see , even Bryan couldn't make it.

                Low metabolic creatures live long ...whales (2 to 37 heart beats per minute (bpm)), crocodiles (24โ€“40 bpm) , turtles (25 bpm) . They are very resistant to cancer and at the same time high persentage of highly unsaturated fatty acids (HUFA) in tissue .

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                  SpaceManJim @Gardner
                  last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 6:02 PM

                  https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1860016163960557983?t=23RTNKqCiXfOpIRQd6QrUA&s=19

                  Interesting follow up, posted an exhaustive list of biomarkers and physical tests.

                  A lot of these seem really good tbh.

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                    A Former User @SpaceManJim
                    last edited by A Former User Nov 22, 2024, 6:50 PM Nov 22, 2024, 6:50 PM

                    the world unfolds for a person based on their expectations and beliefs . the only problem I see with what he is doing is he advertised it so much that it has created a lot of excess potential, i.e. here we are discussing it , and people can say that he is doing it wrong, but then again maybe he is the personality who thrives off opposition and being in the spotlight. it is a dangerous game but having a ton of money insulates against some of it. I bet you someone with a high metabolic rate can also achieve the same things as him with a lowered one because they both have their world view.

                    I took 2.5mg melatonin and had one of the best sleeps I've ever had since I started peating, something I'd only randomly get and inconsistently. but melatonin is.... le bad!!!!! different strokes for different folks people

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                      DavidPS
                      last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 7:06 PM

                      I am wondering if his low body temperature is contributing to his blue finger nails as shown in the photo below (source = https://healthyceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Bryan-Johnson-as-seen-in-an-Instagram-Post-in-September-2022.jpg ).
                      85af416e-4b9e-4c0d-9029-eb1d813543fa-image.png

                      I initially thought it was just his preferred nail polish colour. but then I read this: https://www.slashdotblog.com/blue-nails/

                      โ€œโ€œEffective health care depends on self-careโ€ - Ivan Illich, ๐Ÿ‘€
                      โ˜‚๏ธ

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                        bot-mod @A Former User
                        last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 10:23 PM

                        @sneedful said in Bryan Johnson cooling himself for longevity? Waking temp of 93.4. Seems like a bad idea:

                        I bet you someone with a high metabolic rate can also achieve the same things as him with a lowered one because they both have their world view.

                        I think you're right about this sneedster. But what good is an energy surplus if the person running it doesn't set their 'world view' in motion.

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                          GreekDemiGod @bot-mod
                          last edited by Nov 22, 2024, 11:05 PM

                          How is he not feeling awful at such low temps? I get that heโ€™s on Levothyroxine and other drugs, but Iโ€™d still expect him to not feel great.

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                            natureman @GreekDemiGod
                            last edited by natureman Nov 23, 2024, 2:23 AM Nov 23, 2024, 2:22 AM

                            @GreekDemiGod did you ever see his videos where he shows how he lives? He is vegan, living largely on powders, takes roids, does finasteride and more, fasting and extreme exercise. He must feel like absolute shit 24/7.

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                              LetTheRedeemed @natureman
                              last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 6:19 AM

                              @natureman thereโ€™s no temporary high like feeling like youโ€™re in control of life

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                                Kvirion @LetTheRedeemed
                                last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 4:21 PM

                                Just saying... https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/3501/the-immortal-eternal-bryan-johnson-broke-his-frail-childlike-ankle-while-dancing-at-age-47

                                A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                  LetTheRedeemed @Kvirion
                                  last edited by LetTheRedeemed Nov 23, 2024, 5:44 PM Nov 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

                                  @Kvirion wow, I wonder if bone repair is even possible with such a low temp

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                                    Kvirion @LetTheRedeemed
                                    last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 6:12 PM

                                    @LetTheRedeemed said in Bryan Johnson cooling himself for longevity? Waking temp of 93.4. Seems like a bad idea:

                                    bone repair

                                    By my understanding low temp makes it much harder:
                                    "A high level of respiratory energy production that characterizes young life is needed for tissue renewal."
                                    https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/osteoporosis-aging.shtml
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                                    "Thyroid and progesterone, unlike estrogen, stimulate bone-building, and are associated with a decreased risk of cancer. It seems sensible to use thyroid and progesterone for their general anti-degenerative effects, protecting the bones, joints, brain, immune system, heart, blood vessels, breasts, etc."
                                    https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/osteoporosis.shtml

                                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                      LetTheRedeemed @Kvirion
                                      last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 6:26 PM

                                      @Kvirion

                                      low temp makes it much harderr

                                      Low temps makes my bones harder you say? ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

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                                        LetTheRedeemed @Kvirion
                                        last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 6:26 PM

                                        @Kvirion thanks for the share

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                                          Kvirion @LetTheRedeemed
                                          last edited by Nov 23, 2024, 7:41 PM

                                          @LetTheRedeemed said in Bryan Johnson cooling himself for longevity? Waking temp of 93.4. Seems like a bad idea:

                                          Low temps makes my bones harder you say? ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

                                          LOL! Good one! You know what I meant ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                          Sometimes grammar isn't my friend...

                                          A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                          Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                          There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                          And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                          ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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