Silicon the dietary nutrient

[Mossy]

@LucH said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Anyone ever used Orgono G5?

Yes, I've used G5 organic silicium. Fine. Thé one from Ireland. Useful if deficient.
I've made a post on my forum on different forms silicium and test from Dr Willems. I can give a link if interested about "the hype" and the different molecules.

That could be interesting information to have. Maybe it's on your forum post, but if not do you have an opinion about the silica in Fiji water and are you familiar with the make your own silica water, which supposedly is the same as Fiji?

[A Former User]

https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/j.jtemb.2014.06.024

I am buying a bunch of non-alcohol beer. I know beer is estrogenic yet with all the stuff opposing estrogen we do maybe it's a net benefit. Beer and pork chicharón is a good combo. Some chicharóns aren't fried in extra fat and don't have a lot of fat attached themselves so might not have a lot of PUFA. Beer and salty masa chips sounds good too. Maybe some apple gelatine dessert after.

[A Former User]

@LucH link sir/ma'am

[A Former User]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2744664/pdf/ukmss-27619.pdf

"Bananas have a high Si content (about 5·5 mg/100 g), but preliminary evidence suggests that
Si absorption is negligible (about 2 %) compared, for example, with green beans, which are
high in absorbable Si (about 2·5 mg Si/100 g and about 50 % absorbed)(7)."

"After correcting for differences in ingested Si dose from the different Si-containing sources,
the percentage of the dose excreted in urine over the 6 h period was highest from MMST
(64·0 (SE 5·3) %; range 30·4-105 %) and alcohol-free beer (60·1 (SE 0·8) %; range 57·2-62·0
%), followed by green beans (43·6 (SE 14·9) %; range: 22·1-102 %), orthosilicic acid (43·1 (SE
3·6) %; range 30·0-50·5 %) and ChOSA (16·5 (SE 6·7) %; range 8·57-27·9 %) (Fig. 4).
Bananas (3·9 (SE 2·0) %; range 0·05-11·7 %), magnesium trisilicate BP (3·7 (SE 0·6) %; range
1·46-7·23 %) and colloidal silica (1·2 (SE 0·4) %; range 0·96-1·62 %) provided very low
increases in urinary Si (Fig. 4). Although the latter group only included three subjects, the
consistently low percentage absorption indicates that the results are robust."

ChOSA (choline stabilized silicon) being such low excretion listed above is why I question urinary excretion as a measure of bioavailability.

[LucH]

@sushi_is_cringe said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

link sir/ma'am

When I type « silicium » on my forum I get 4 posts in the section « Traitements naturels et complémentaires »:

• Silicium organique ou minéral ?
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t864-silicium-organique-ou-mineral?highlight=silicium
• Silicium organique et arthrose. Dr JM Dupuis
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t866-silicium-organique-et-arthrose-jm-dupuis?highlight=silicium
• Test silicium. Dr Willems
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t865-test-silicium-dr-willems?highlight=silicium

Extraits en Français (Translator needed) :
Extrait 1 :
Le corps humain contient de 6 à 10 grammes de silice selon l'âge, et 1 mg par 100 ml de sang. Le silicium est en concentration supérieure (7g) à celles du fer (Fe) ou du cuivre (Cu) chez l’homme ; il potentialise l'action du zinc (Zn) et du cuivre (Cu) et permet la fixation du calcium (Ca).
La quantité de silicium diminue de façon irréversible, chez l'homme comme chez l'animal.
On le trouve essentiellement dans le tissu conjonctif, dans la peau, les cheveux, les ongles et les dents, dans les os et le sang.
Un traitement à base de silicium organique peut d'ailleurs faire régresser ces lésions athéromateuses (travaux de LOEPER, Académie de Médecine). Il restaure également la synthèse de l'élastine, tout en diminuant la calcification et la rigidité des artères vieillissantes. Il est frappant de constater que ces tissus (peau, artères, thymus) sont ceux dont le vieillissement est le plus constant et le plus marquant (ainsi rides, amincissement, perte d'élasticité et d'hydratation pour la peau)."
http://www.esculape.com/bricabrac/silicium.htm

Extrait 2 :

Organique ou minéral ?

• Le silicium organique : Taux d’absorption élevé (70%)
• Le silicium minéral : problème de biodisponibilité (3%)
• Le silicium végétal : champignons, graminées, agrumes, olives, argile verte, prêle, gélatine, eau, etc.
  NB : La biodisponibilité sera faible, comparée à une plante, sauf si …

Extrait 3 :

Conditions liées à l’assimilation

• Le pH du silicium ainsi que sa charge ionique. Le titrage du silicium (0,2 % est l’idéal selon LLR ; 0.4 % est un maximum pour l’assimilation => biodisponibilité).
• Besoin d'une protéine qui lui sert de transporteur, pour passer la barrière digestive, il est limité à un seuil de saturation dans les applications thérapeutiques. Voilà pourquoi il est conseillé de l’ingérer 15’ avant le début d’un repas.

Extrait 4
Le silicium organique se différencie du minéral par la présence d’un (ou plusieurs) atome(s) de carbone associé(s) à de l’hydrogène. Sous cette forme, c’est un des éléments essentiels de la matière vivante (plantes, animaux et humains).

Liens intéressants :

• Silicium organique : Présentation. Connaissez-vous le G5 ?
  Applications, revendications du silicium organique en thérapeutique.
  Source: Dr Janet, gastro-entérologue et cancérologue.
  http://www.nature-et-forme.info/article-739693.html (blog temporairement indisponible)
  https://sante-vivante.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/SV-SILICIUM-3.pdf

• 7 siliciums au banc d’essai

Test du Dr WILLEMS

Le silicium : produit mythique de la médecine naturelle
Samedi 17 février 2007 • Pratiques de santé. Le Journal de la Médecine naturelle. N° 64 Hors-série n° 1. Dr Jean-Pierre WILLEM. Epuisé.
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t865-test-silicium-dr-willems#8167
Résumé du test:
Si l’on cumule l’ensemble des résultats obtenus, le classement final est le suivant :
1 - G5
2 - Dynasil +
3 - Ortie-Silice
4 - Eau de silice
4 - Siliplex
6 - Silicea Universel
7 - Vita Sil.
Seuls les 3 1ers sont recommandables.
NDLR: Il existe peut-être d'autres produits apparus ensuite sur le marché, non testés ...

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Maybe it's on your forum post, but if not do you have an opinion about the silica in Fiji water and are you familiar with the make your own silica water

I don't know. If the water is not too rich in some minerals, it could do the job, but the assimilation, in optimal conditions, would be about 3% of the silicium.
Not enough to have a passive assimilation, according to me.

[NNight]

@LucH
You should translate your posts in english as we are on a forum where people speak english.
I think you're mistaken if you think people will do the effort of translating them, and even if they would do it, it would be a pretty inefficient way of sharing information on an international forum, as every people reading should do the translation themselves while if it's you, you'd have to do it once for everyone.
I say that as someone who speaks french.

Thanks.

[LucH]

@NNight said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

You should translate your posts in english as we are on a forum where people speak english.

I give a summarize in English. If you want more details, you use a translator.
Too long to do the job (several pages).
Most of the time, there are excerpts in English. Here it wasn't pertinent (context is needed, too long).
Not pertinent, either, to translate:
Le silicium organique : Taux d’absorption élevé (70%)
Le silicium minéral : problème de biodisponibilité (3%).

[A Former User]

@NNight I think them posting in French is good tbh.

[NNight]

@sushi_is_cringe Do you speak french?
If not, what did you use to translate the text?

[otto]

@Hearthfire - My bamboo extract will arrive on Tuesday. I purchased the organic powder version which does not contain additives. I am eager to see its effects.

[A Former User]

@NNight google translate or I translate it mentally

[A Former User]

@Otto did you consider eating bamboo shoots sir

[A Former User]

@Hearthfire gorillas don't eat bamboo, that's pandas, sir.

[otto]

@sushi_is_cringe - No, Making my own powder is such a grind.

Here is the brand that I chose. It claims to be a 1-year supply.

[Hearthfire]

@sushi_is_cringe

from THEGORILLAFUND.ORG

"Bamboo is a special plant for gorillas, golden monkeys, and people too! At the Fossey Fund, we have been studying bamboo in relation to mountain gorillas for years, because it’s one of their favorite foods."

Here's a mountain gorilla feasting on bamboo.

Youtube Video

Every single nature documentary with gorillas I've ever seen, they're munching on bamboo....Not sure how anyone could possibly not know this.

Always funny when retards confidently state something as fact and they're completely wrong.

[NNight]

@sushi_is_cringe
Parfait, finalement ça m'arrange de pouvoir parler français ici !

[LucH]

@NNight said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Parfait, finalement ça m'arrange de pouvoir parler français ici !

Ok but give the main idea in English, as well, in introduction. Not every body is able to use google translate.
How to do:

• Copy the text in a docx or similar.
• Register the docx to avoid a wrong manip and loose the doc: My Doc > Forum > Bioenergetic > Topic targeted (give an name to the doc).
• Copy the text and open Google translate ...
  PS: You do so when only addressing a forumer you know he speaks / understand French. Only punctually, not as a general rule.

[A Former User]

@Hearthfire omg you call rtard when i said it the wrong thing in the most polite manner, you are not a sir but a scoundrel! so serotenergic

[Hearthfire]

@sushi_is_cringe You tried to correct me and were wrong while calling me "sir", you were condescending. It wasn't very Peaty of you.