Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?
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His love of painting, art and poetry
His recommendation of progesterone
A preference for an introspective, reflective thoughtful life
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I think it stemmed from his view of the flow of energy as the most important phenomenon in the universe.
As the most energy-demanding organ, he often talked about evolution leading (in a quasai-aristotelian way) to the development of big-brained creatures.
So, he seemed to value the brain most highly of all, but not in a "digital" sense, but because it could resonate with the flux of energy in the universe.
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Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?
He did, in my interpretation and opinion. But to what extent. What if your condition has a reference range, and what if indication is all around and behind you.
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@wester130 he thought we evolved from female-led agriculture and fruit gathering. It played a part but come on... the garden in Genesis is a metaphor, not literal. I don't buy evolution in general, so hunter-gatherer evolution is no more true than creationism.
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@wester130 said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:
His love of painting, art and poetry
Peat was old. He did old people stuff. When he was young (as well as later in life) he also was possibly more of a nerd/intelectuall/ scholar/bookworm(I mean none of those words with disrespect). It's likely the time he was born and upbringing, that lead to these preferences, not hormones.
His recommendation of progesterone
He seldomly recommended it to men, and when he did, it was recomended in low doses, often paired with DHEA. He has talked many times about the anti androgenic effects of progesterone.
A preference for an introspective, reflective thoughtful life
This is androgenic.
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@alfredoolivas said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:
He seldomly recommended it to men
He talked about it incessantly, at seemingly every opportunity.
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@Corngold Sure he may of talked about the importance of endogenous progesterone in men but did he specifically recommended men to take substantial exogenous doses of it? Rarely in my opinion.
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When he was younger he did forestry work and played sports! I think he had a good balance of masculine/feminine, if such a thing even exists.
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W wester130 referenced this topic on Mar 18, 2025, 3:49 PM
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I mean, I might invoke the concept of the DHT/T ratio, and DHT trending with a masculine calmness. A lot of behaviors which are thought of as "macho", like aggression and "high libido", can be thought of as the result of a lower DHT/T ratio, and relatively more estrogen (aromatized from testosterone). An adaptation to a violent, higher-stress situation, which prunes other "higher" potentialities. Convict mentality of death looming around the corner.
It's reddit of me to mention, but I think the male hero of Twin Peaks, Dale Cooper, shows a picture of the kind of masculinity Ray was interested in more so. "Eagle Scout" type stuff. Somewhat sensitive, so as to get the job done, but not solipsistically so.
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Email exchange:
Dear Ray,
My life is falling apart. What should I do?Response:
Have you thought about being more "androgenic?"=====================================
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@Dedeluded
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@Rah1woot lol
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@alfredoolivas painting art and poetry isnt “old people stuff”, kind sir.
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@Corngold women led societies are based
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@sushi_is_cringe
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@Corngold said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:
Sure seems goblin ran, beyond male and female.
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Does progesterone decrease libido in men?
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The reply button you're looking for in future is in the top right. Not the one under a post unless you're addressing that person.
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I think answer to the question posted is that it's pretty much true.
A lot of his writing was targeted toward women and I've never heard him recommend testosterone to resolve a problem for anyone.
