Collagen Powder wtf?
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In my experience, collagen powder (Vital proteins, Sprouts grocery store generic) causes sharp stomach pain when used in smoothies and milder but still present stomach pain when used in hot beverages.
I don't have this problem with home made or commercial bone (skin) broth.
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Bone broth or collagen powder is classified L2 (set free) for histamine. Not advised in crisis. Need DAO enzyme min. 1 ooo units to help.
Not advised L2 or 3 , nor H2 or 3 when overloaded.
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Great story. I dissolve collagen into my morning coffee as well. I would not have considered collagen to be one of the usual suspects.
As the image below shows, collagen is a good source of glycine.
Glycine is a healthy amino acid. I bookend my day with a source of glycine in the evening as well. I generally just dissolve glycine in water before bed.
Peatbot.com: Yes, glycine is considered healthy and has a wide range of beneficial effects. It is known for its antitumor actions, including the inhibition of new blood vessel formation (angiogenesis), and has shown protective activity in liver cancer and melanoma. Glycine is non-toxic, provided the kidneys are functioning properly, and can be a pleasant form of chemotherapy.
Glycine promotes wound healing and suppresses tumor invasiveness when collagen is broken down. It also has antistress actions, acting as an inhibitory neurotransmitter that promotes natural sleep and helps in recovery from strokes and seizures. Glycine can improve learning and memory and has protective effects against various types of cell damage, such as fibrosis, free radical damage, inflammation, and mitochondrial damage.
Additionally, glycine has been used to alleviate muscle spasms in conditions like multiple sclerosis and is thought to moderate some symptoms of schizophrenia. It also has a history of use in treating digestive system diseases and has been shown to alleviate colitis.
Overall, glycine is associated with a variety of health benefits, particularly in stress reduction, protection against certain types of cell damage, and support for the immune system.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. Yeah I totally subscribe to the idea of more collagen more glycine more better. Definitely why it was the last thing in my elimination experiments. I thought well I won’t die if I skip CP for a few days. And after day one I was clearer. Day 30+ I’m convinced that powder in coffee or tea is bad to the bone. Only other thing that I know gets me sneezing and itchy eyed is if I go ape shit on a bag of dried mangos. A handful is fine but 5 handfuls…
I’m sticking with ground beef for whatever amount of glycine is in that. Makes me feel great. I also do good with magnesium glycinate! -
@dapose said in Collagen Powder wtf?:
ground beef
freshly ground minced beef , otherwise high is histamine.
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@LucH
Well that’s interesting. The thing is, I can eat abunch of foods that are high histamine and have no problems. I really believe there is some manufacturing element to collagen powder that is extremely irritating. Haven’t fully investigated this so I’m not exactly sure.
Once and awhile I eat a dinner that is a can of oysters drained and add Umboshi vinegar. Parmesan cheese, popcorn popped in ghee with salt. And Genoa meat slices with sweet pickles. All super high histamine foods. This meal is delicious and I thought for sure it was a problem but it never has been… I tested it last week.
Ground beef is all good with me too. Idk.
Something about collagen irritated the gut. Whenever I have spilled collagen coffee or got some powder on my fingers it is extremely sticky. It could be used for glue. My guess is that it sticks to the gut lining and just irritates the hell out of that thin tissue. -
Yeah, most collagen powders have heavy metals unfortunately. was getting really bad NO symptoms until i swapped the powder food real soups.
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@dapose idk but I think most if not all supplements are useless... eat gelatinous meats and garlic, onions, ginger.
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@Corngold said in Collagen Powder wtf?:
@dapose idk but I think most if not all supplements are useless... eat gelatinous meats and garlic, onions, ginger.
Do you suggest garlic, onions and ginger for a specific reason?
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@random idk I just always breathe and feel better after these foods. I think citrus and some herbs also support the immune system. I've never had much histamine problem except seasonal allergies and wine. Wine is a big problem so I avoid it.
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@random said in Collagen Powder wtf?:
garlic, onions
These two one contain sulphur useful to make glutathion.
Need selenium too (meat and champignons).
Mercury must be taken seriously into account. Otherwise, we won't recover (enzyme way blocked). Mind LPS toxins when detoxifying, especially with garlic. -
@LucH said in Collagen Powder wtf?:
@random said in Collagen Powder wtf?:
garlic, onions
These two one contain sulphur useful to make glutathion.
Need selenium too (meat and champignons).
Mercury must be taken seriously into account. Otherwise, we won't recover (enzyme way blocked). Mind LPS toxins when detoxifying, especially with garlic.From what food/environnemental sources do you think people are prone to accumulating mercury? I don't know if you're referring to people in general or people who are influenced by "bioenergetic" ideas
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I speak In general.
From teeth if more than 50 years old. Some kinds of tuna.
NB: No more than one fish predator once a week.
Selenium must be higher than mercury.
I come back with a graph. -
Ratio mercury / selenium in fish
NB: Graph on the link beneath.
Ratio Mercure / Sélénium dans la sardine, le maquereau et le thon
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1264-poisson-frais-et-huile-composition#14421
We should have less Hg (mercury) than Se. Maximum ratio 1.
I’d avoid fish predator as Haddock, sea bream, halibut and specifically tuna. Never more than once a week when eating a predator.
Tuna ratio is 331/36. It depends on the species too. Therefore, it's highly toxic. Expressed in ppm per 100g of fish, this gives a ratio of 9.2. But in canned fish, this ratio is closer to 2/1 or 1/1 (extracted oil), I think.
Source: Calypso, 2016 (équipe Cousteau)
Search Google with: Mercure et étude calypso 2016.- Analyze (in French)
https://auculdubateau.wordpress.com/2016/06/02/le-poisson-est-il-pollue-voici-les-faits-espece-par-espece/ - Table
Same, but drop down the menu on the link and bring back the table, which you will divide into 2, for easier reading.
Highlight:
Canned tuna contains much less fat than fresh tuna (used for other purposes, such as omega-3s). There's not really a problem because mercury is mainly found in the fat. (This tuna is therefore acceptable once a week, except for pregnant women and children, contrary to what you might usually read.) Obviously, we'll favor the least polluted sources...
Please keep an eye on Se and Mg (antagonists of mercury)!
Additional info
See too for comment (scroll downwards to see different sources):
Ratio Mercure / Sélénium dans la sardine, le maquereau et le thon
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1264-poisson-frais-et-huile-composition#14421 - Analyze (in French)
