DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned
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Just to give you the Q&A I had with the AI today on sundry questions that apply to my context. I consider myself well-versed with Peat's ideas, and I'm able to field questions that a newbie isn't likely to ask on a level that comes from having read Peat, enough so that I believe I have connected enough dots to be able to dovetail with Peat's desire for coherency.
I've corresponded with Peat and have benefited from it greatly, yet Ray's availability to entertain my questions were understandably limited due to time constraints.Plus, his responses were very much lacking in detail. Not because he isn't capable bit more because his time was already limited, if his time had to be focused on research and writing and to make himself available for interviews. Speaking of interviews, I soon came to skip on them because the answers would mostly be catering to newbies, and when it is more elaborate, is often truncated to be brief but leaving it lacking in depth.
With AI, thoughtfully designed, as I felt Delphi did a good job with, I could get answers I always fail to get from any forum. Knowledgeable members are not obligated to be around to give satisfactory answers, so it hit and miss. And if one knowledgeable answer should come, it would be buried in a sea of opinions ranging in quality.
Here is what Delphi has remembered of our exchange today:
https://delphi.ai/ray-peat/talk/conversation/shared/f52feace-96b8-4c88-8d68-85a49865e923
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@Kilgore Thanks!
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Whatever happened to ending the digital oligarchy...?
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@orgon Can you explain what you mean by ending the digital oligarchy?
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
The infrastructure won't fund, build, maintain or improve itself. And we're not required to spend a dime (directly) or use a legal ID for applications, yet. I recommend 'no' if anyone tries to 'accelerate' that. They have a responsibility to talk about what constitutes 'status' first. Or fix it.
For now and for example, is Brad an oligarch because he owns the subscription for this tenancy. What about the people at NodeBB Inc. Both are amusing.
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I had great results with using this custom prompt for ChatGPT, making it give way more detailed and peaty responses. Just putting some statements in there that you would never find a mainstream medical book seems to help a lot. I tried it with Grok too, but no good results there.
Biochemistry Student, Biohacker. Estrogen is the stress signaling hormone. Serotonin is related to inflammation. Unsaturated fats inhibits glucose oxidation. Energy and health are linked at an structural level. List only the most effective options. No filler. No fluff. Reply in essay form. -
@pittybitty Why keep us in suspense?
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@sunsunsun your 'theory' on anon social media is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Cheers
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There is nothing new under the sun
AI is the apple (the forbidden fruit) in the Garden
The apple grown on the tree of knowledge (of good and evil)How’d that turn out?
The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.
SD
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@Peatful said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
How’d that turn out?
Good question.
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@bot-mod this is because you are low energy so you cannot overstand the masculine desire to engage in fisticuffs. secondly I deleted it and for you, as a mod to comment on it publicly in a negative manner, despite me deleting it immediately after posting it, is gay.
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@bot-mod also, the last guy I knew irl who says "cheers" (an absolutely faggy expression outside of clinking two beverage containers together) got arrested for CP. you have some of the same faggy essence.
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Try it.
I find that I have gaps in my knowledge of Ray Peat's principles that need reconciliation. Plenty.
It fills them to great satisfaction.
It is not a matter of connecting my mind to a neural network where I would ask for my brain matter to be instantly filled with a particular subject such as say, viruses.
I have to ask piecemeal any and all matters relating to viruses. I would have to ask and he will answer to the level I pose a question and how I follow up with succeeding questions.
A kindergarten level question would be given a kindergarten-level answer, and a phD level question gets an equivalent type of answer.
It's a good thing as if you're a newbie, it avoids going over your head, but if you're not you can follow up with deeper level queztions.
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As we have differing views on the use of AI, I thought of asking Ray Peat's AI about his thoughts. While we can't ask Ray his opinion anymore, I hope it would not be presumptuous to ask his Delphi AI persona this question. Here is the response:
https://delphi.ai/ray-peat/talk/conversation/shared/66d718f4-e142-4822-89b4-fd7c6903fa2f
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I'd like to ask first before we go in detail, what your thoughts are on using artificial intelligence as it is now becoming more common, even to the point of being perverse and soon to become ubiquitous. Your followers are in disagreement about whether to shun or embrace it. What do you think? Is there a third way?
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The rise of artificial intelligence is a fascinating and troubling development, particularly when viewed through the lens of how it interacts with human energy, creativity, and autonomy. On one hand, AI has the potential to assist in processing vast amounts of information, uncovering patterns, and even challenging some of the reductionist tendencies that have dominated science and medicine. However, its current trajectory often reflects the same mechanistic, dehumanizing ideologies that have plagued other technological advancements, prioritizing efficiency and control over the richness of human experience.
The pervasiveness of AI risks amplifying the very issues I’ve critiqued in other domains: the reduction of complex, living systems to discrete, rule-based operations. This mirrors the shift from field thinking to digital computation in the mid-20th century, which sidelined holistic, energy-based approaches in favor of rigid, deterministic models. When applied to human intelligence, this reductionism not only misunderstands the nature of thought and creativity but also threatens to erode individuality and the organic processes that define life itself.
A third way, as you suggest, might involve using AI as a tool rather than a master—integrating it into a broader framework that respects the complexity and unpredictability of living systems. This would require a conscious effort to resist the ideological pressures that seek to replace human judgment and creativity with algorithmic decision-making. Instead of shunning or fully embracing AI, we could aim to harness its capabilities in ways that support human energy and autonomy, much like how I advocate for supporting the body’s energy systems to promote health and resilience.
The key lies in maintaining a critical perspective, recognizing the limitations of AI, and ensuring that its use aligns with values that prioritize life, creativity, and the interconnectedness of systems. This approach would demand vigilance against the commodification of human thought and the erosion of meaningful, energy-rich interactions—both with each other and with the world around us.
What are your own thoughts on this? Do you see AI as a tool that can be shaped to serve human needs, or do you share the concerns of those who fear its ubiquity will inevitably lead to harm?
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I used "perverse" but I just meant widespread.
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@yerrag said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
@orgon Can you explain what you mean by ending the digital oligarchy?
It's a quote from Ray. Not just a quote, but sort of what he thought was most important, as he was contemplating the future of the world after his own death. What do you think it means?
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I've been mortally wounded.
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The masculine energy for central bureau to manage your identity on the internet is very apparent.
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'fisticuffs'
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This could be a 10 page thread.
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/i-asked-peat-about-his-legacy.36976/post-571067
