@Amazoniac I assume you are what you eat does indeed make sense as long as there isn't an overgrowth. Throughout history I'd imagine when times are plentiful and fruits are easily obtained that the microbiome created from ingesting these foods would create a flora to push metabolism and neurotransmitters like dopamine to go explore and find more carbs and then in times of survival when more grains needed to be consumed that the microbiome would tend towards slowing down and making it through. Our ancestors likely roll their eyes at our 'discovery' of the relevance of the microbiome when it probably should be instinctual. I wondering if bathing in kefir is going too far Dont kefir the reaper

@Amazoniac I think this can be why making one's own kefir is fun and beneficial. The flora of the gut seems to be crucial for the absorption of certain foods and nutrients and potentiation of processes in the body as it seems lactobacillus and bifidobacterium improve thyroid usage, testosterone retention and neurotransmitters production.

Perhaps one of the reasons a 'diet' doesn't work for some or doesn't work to the extent desired is because the gut ecosystem hasn't been properly established. It's like raising a baby, snake or opening a deli there needs to be an understanding of responsibility.
Step 1. Add beneficial bacteria
Step 2. Feed beneficial bacteria
Step 3. Be mindful of overgrown and the bacteria spending all your money
Step 4. Taking bicarb soda before bed can be helpful
Step 5. Build out a diet that keeps this flora thriving whilst meeting all nutritional needs.
Step 6. Maybe the first step should be culling the bad bacteria however some beneficial bacteria can do this for you
Step 7. Profit

It does make sense that our bodies are equipped to deal with fermented end products as history would deem it necessary to preserve food in times of need. I like to think of it as a healthy gut is helpful the same way healthy people are, the healthy gut wants you to thrive so it can also thrive so it speeds up metabolism so you can acquire more food for it as an unhealthy gut wants to slow you down to survive as long as it can.

@Shar_to_the_dae https://idealabs.ecwid.com/Lab-R&D-Chemicals-c20672606
Delivers to OZ made by Zeus
Tyromax = NDT
Tyromix = t4 and t3
Tyronene = t3 dose might be high so might need to dilute.
Enjoy with a vegemite sandwich

Ps I've found Tyromix to work well in small 2 drop doses

The carrot salad should help with honey and I add aronia berry(chokeberry) too it as well and it has similar properties to cranberries

Milk with oat meal is always a good idea

@yapper how high is your fat intake? From what I understand the musculature uses fatty acids at rest and if you don't provide enough through diet then adrenaline increases to liberate fatty acids from your body instead which is a stressful process.

Perhaps increase fat intake to about 40% of calories from mostly saturated sources like beef and lamb fat, butter, ghee, cocoa butter, chocolate, coconut oil and maybe a little good quality olive oil too. This can help increase hormones and might help with any anxiety also.

Perhaps buffalo cheese could be even better

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4605781/

Biotin is quite useful and most people probably don't get enough as per CMJ anywhere from 150mcg into the mgs doses might be needed depending on context which is impossible to get from diet alone. If estrogen is high and pushing down the pedal on acetylcholine production then b1 becomes more complicated to supplement so biotin becomes a good way to help with glucose oxidation in that scenario (among with loads of other benefits too) until b1 is more viable potentially

Lots of nutrients work inefficiently when there is exesses of estrogen and PUFA and eating higher amounts of fiber is a good way to detox estrogen freeing up the liver to help rid the body of PUFAs. More than likely by eating the higher amounts of fiber this detox is happening leading to better usage of these nutrients like A and copper which seems to follow estrogen too. This is one of the reason Peat recommends the carrot salad, mushrooms, bamboo shoots or even oat or wheat bran.

It's weird to think people underestimate the potency of estrogen and pufa as they increase each others effects on the body especially people who know about Ray Peat. If Androgens are low these issues are much worse as there is no defence against this. Looking from a macro perspective is sometimes best as it can be easy to get lost down a road of reduction

Guru
Would you prefer it be called the pro-metabolic forum ?
Does that make us professionals or maybe professors ?
What's with all the fat soluble hate it sounds like fat shaming to me but as for acronyms PMF doesn't roll quite off the tongue as BF then we could be BFFs works much better with formalwear