600 - 650 and nothing I've taken has ever made a difference. tried basically everything on this forum and other forums.

@Verdad most likely the simplest explanation, because androgens increase sebum production and vitamin A reduces it

I've been taking 10,000 IU daily and it improved my skin quality significantly, and raised my resting body temperature.

Supposedly it's androgenic.

Whether it's good or bad as a whole.... that's a controversial topic. As others mentioned in the thread, it's definitely bad if you have hypothyroidism.

@CO3 pregnenolone makes me crave a cigarette more than anything on god's green earth

@Santosh I was worried that this was going to be it. Basically my entire life revolves around coffee so I guess it's the creatine that has to go.

I figure that beef collagen/gelatin has all the precursors for the body to produce creatine so I will up my dosage of that instead.

500mg niacinamide has been better for endurance for me than creatine either way to be honest.

@renaissanceman np, although I'd like to mention that it didn't get better on vitamin D alone, I had to add about a gram of supplemental calcium a day as well as more dairy products

I really liked Tianeptine but when I did a blood test my testosterone was HALF of my levels when sober. From 700 to 350. Went back to normal after I quit.

Also, I don't agree with the withdrawal scares in this thread. If you take the usually prescribed dosage of 3x 12.5mg a day, you will not have strong withdrawals at all.

deadlifts, eating lots of gelatin, cheese and meat

high-doses vitamin K2
2000 IU Vitamin D

not much else you can do to be honest, messing with hormones at your age could seriously mess things up

@NangaParbat If anything I massively oversalt my food, and the creatine supplement itself has salt, so unfortunately that's not it.

mix it with bovine collagen