what is the cure to hairloss / male pattern baldness?

basednigga2006

@Glace said in whats the cure to hairloss?:

@MaxVerstappen
Male pattern baldness/hair loss and androgenic alopecia are terms used interchangeably, but they not the same thing. The former refers to the way men lose their hair. The latter is the theory that MPB is caused by androgens.

I say theory because it's not obviously true. Why are babies (of both sexes) born with "androgenic alopecia?" Clearly, babies have not lost their hair due to "DHT miniaturizing the hair follicle." In fact, it grows back.

If you want to propose some theory as to why hair loss occurs, it needs to answer:

Why are babies born with "male pattern baldness,"

Why do men start losing their hair in early adulthood, and

Why do men continue to lose their hair as they age (while androgens fall off).

Preferably, you should also have answers for why finasteride works, why mothers that lose hair post-partum, and why said mothers regrow their hair.

The "androgenic alopecia" theory is obviously attractive because men have androgens and women . But "cumulative exposure to androgens" is a flimsy just-so for 3, and there is nothing to explain newborn hair loss.

I don't have the answers, but I do have a few observations:

Hair follicles are different from most organs in that they constantly cycle between phases of growth and differentiation. Understanding the difficulty of this task and the factors involved is critical to solving this puzzle.

It would be very surprising if the hormones involved in controlling growth vs. differentiation in gestation didn't play a role in growing hair follicles.

Both newborns and post-partum mothers have a lot of progesterone. Could it be that progesterone is enabling the regrowth of hair? Something must be doing that, or at least preventing the hair loss from becoming permanent.

Tissue growth is an energy-intensive process. Both pregnenolone and progesterone stabilize energy production.

Young people have a lot of the basic steroid pregnenolone. Pregnenolone production declines steadily with age.

During puberty, the sex-differentiating steroidogenic enzymes get turned. The relative levels of pregnenolone go down for both sexes, but women get progesterone whereas men get testosterone.

Finasteride is very similar to progesterone.

Finasteride:

Progesterone:

It seems to me that women keep their hair because of progesterone, rather than men lose their hair because of androgens.

The age and progesterone is explained in this theory
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/ezkd0r/my_theory_regarding_a_cause_and_cure_for/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_title

tubert

@zeal may I ask you how much cyprohetadine I should be taking in order to reverse hair loss? Thx

risingfire

@MaxVerstappen sounds like you have no clue what you are talking about. You obviously have never tried finasteride

risingfire

@darkkk you have never tried finasteride before and it clearly shows so be quiet child

tubert

@mentun said in whats the cure to hair loss?:

@Chud Cyproheptadine can cure hair loss alone, induced from brain atrophy. It lowers serotonin and prolactin.

Currently experimenting with 16 mg for 3 days.

If you have hair loss from low libido, probably supplementing thyroid and eating 4oz of beef liver once a week will help tremendously.

So, how did your experiment with 3 days of 16mg go?

mentun

@tubert I just felt sedated most of the time, which I think is a good thing because it means that the stress hormones that I was running on were being suppressed by the cypro. I continued to take a lot of cypro after the three days, even up to 32 mg. I ran out of cypro after like a week. I just ordered more.

I think the cypro just works as a vacuum, and you need to supplement other things like thyroid or progesterone to take the place of the stress hormones that you've been running on. Also eating liver and oysters once a week, and upping your calcium to lower parathyroid hormone.

Benefits are better digestion. Con is sometimes I would get a mild migraine, but really there is none.

For the hair, I been on thyroid for about 2 months now, gradually increasing my dose to 3 grains. My hair is indeed coming back, but slowly. I might up it to 4 grains next week. I dont plan on taking thyroid forever tho, tapering off of it. I take the synthetic thyroid ray peat recommends from mexico.

tubert

@mentun is that t3 or t4 you are using? or a combo (t3/t4)?

insufferable

Consider epitestosterone, the body's endogenous anti-androgen. Produced alongside testosterone (99% of it is not a test derivative), it is mildly neuroprotective and strongly anti-estrogen.

Unfortunately it is also one of the most understudied hormones in existence.

insufferable

@insufferable said in whats the cure to hair loss?:

Consider epitestosterone, the body's endogenous anti-androgen. Produced alongside testosterone (99% of it is not a test derivative), it is mildly neuroprotective and strongly anti-estrogen.

Unfortunately it is also one of the most understudied hormones in existence.

Maybe this can explain how follicle DHT can be the cause of balding and yet balding is worse in low testosterone men (premature balding at least), and many men who clearly have high testosterone don't go bald.

The body makes epiT alongside T so a naturally high test man would also be naturally high in epiT, thus having plenty of ability to block androgens by means of the body's natural and healthy process of doing so, in the places where the body doesn't want androgens to be high. While keeping androgens high in places where they should be high.

The low test man is also going to be low in epiT, I would think.

I think it's big news that the body even has this endogenous capacity - producing a natural and healthy anti-androgen, and not as a test derivative either. Apparently this is part of your body's system. I think there are a lot of implications of that.

I made an epitestosterone thread earlier:
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/575/epitestosterone-premature-balding-and-male-pcos

mentun

@tubert I currently take one and a half tablets of cynoplus (t3/t4) after a meal which equals to 3.3 grains, and I take small bites of a cynomel (t3) tablet (4-9 mcg) after a meal or if my hands or feet are not warm.

tubert

@mentun Thanks a lot. I have some t3 at home (which I never use), but I will try some iodine first to see what happens.

voldtzeig

If you're att stathams level it's over mate. Should've started caring years ago.

Getting it back is hard, keeping is easy.

bluearchivehate

Microneedling doesn't reverse calcification very well, you need to aggressively pinch the scalp and stretch it with the knuckles. I think this is because scalp tissue is comparatively far thicker than the tissues of the face microneedling is normally used for.