Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?
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Incel = Involuntary celibate
Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?
Would you say that 80 - 90 % (perhaps even 95 %) of men in the west are incel? That would assume both men who are knowingly incel and aware of it and men who are incel without being aware of it.
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@Ray-Peat-Fanboy said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
men who are incel without being aware of it.
How is that even possible? A guy thinks he is having sex, but in reality he is not?
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Many people will want to be "incel" because of the connotative mystique that's slowly been accumulating with the term (brooding, lonely, misanthropic, alienated, emotionally resilient/aloof, etc) but they will necessarily, ipso facto be precluded from inceldom because human society requires a majority to all be socially intimate with each other.
This of course will not stop them, which is why "femcel" is a term that exists, despite women being social creatures by nature (exceptions prove the rule) and seldom meeting the criteria, simply because they want to cultivate the identity associated with celibacy (aka loneliness.)
As mental health continues to deteriorate people will more frequently self-identify with their illnesses and struggles because it grants a sense of gravitas to their person. Inceldom is just another result of this. Whether or not you think it's healthy for a person to identify with negative aspects of their health/personality/circumstances is another matter.
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I am starting to wonder if this incel business is a psyop designed to give spooks university researchers a topic to build their extremism narrative around. They are usually hand in glove with 3 letter agencies. Just thinking out loud – again
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@Peatly You're saying this as if incels didn't exist before random researchers, founded by glowies, decided to write papers about them.
Some things happen naturally; not everything is a CIA psyop.
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@Ray-Peat-Fanboy the larger, more concerning segment of the male population are the men who are chronically underpeforming, cold and hypo, who are getting at best, transactional sex with an overweight woman who saddled them for resources. By concerning, I mean, totally harmless. And useless.
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Well for example some men would think they are volcel (voluntary celibate) while in reality they are incel but won't admit it to themselves.
But even men who has sex , most of those men don't have sex on a regular basis . They only have sex occasionally once in a while if they are lucky , which would make them borderline incel.
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Exactly!
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@Ray-Peat-Fanboy Its almost impossible to be an incel actually. Unless youve got some severe ED (your dick has been cut off for example) you can always go and bang a prossie. Its like picky eaters calling themselves invores or some shit because they think mushrooms are icky
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@zawisza said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
@Peatly You're saying this as if incels didn't exist before random researchers, founded by glowies, decided to write papers about them.
Some things happen naturally; not everything is a CIA psyop.
Read these and tell me you don't smell a rat
The woman who founded the 'incel' movement
The Woman Who Accidentally Started the Incel Movement
What is an incel and what do they believe - as Canada adds the movement to terrorism list
Regardless of how the movement got started, the question we need to ask is why it became popular with young men. (BTW most men are not in this category). What is causing the mass poisoning of young people's minds, and body, that they turn in on themselves?
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@Him The incel ideology is in itself a form of learned helplessness
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Most of the men reading and posting on this site would and will be called "creepy incel weirdos" by neurotic feminist women regardless of our sex lives or social lives which alone should expose the true nature of the word and those who bear it.
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@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
Most of the men reading and posting on this site would and will be called "creepy incel weirdos" by neurotic feminist women regardless of our sex lives or social lives which alone should expose the true nature of the word and those who bear it.
Speak for yourself.
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@CO3 "Getting pussy" is such an arbitrarily valued status symbol that men will go out of their way to describe themselves as volcel, flaunt the times they did have sex, or otherwise prove to the longhouse that they are "well-adjusted" and don't deserve to be outcast as some "incel." The insistence with which men are desperate to avoid being called one only speaks to the sway it holds on them.
If you think women shouldn't be fornicating, you are incel. If you think therapy sessions and SSRIs are bad, you are incel. If you think your woman should be loyal to you, you will give her "the ick" and be an incel. If you display any characteristic that weirds her out, you are incel.
Now, I'm not doing some MGTOW "you gotta proudly adopt it!" schtick. But one should consider why the word is so stigmatized in the first place and the subsequent neurotic social demands that are kowtowed to when one affirms its stigmatization and desires to not be seen as one.
Trying to instead pin it on a group you can easily single out and exclude yourself from does nothing. Feministic women know exactly what they're doing when they utilize it. -
@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
Feministic women know exactly what they're doing when they utilize it.
Ditch a front and almost any man could have them ditching theirs and purring like cats within about 5 minutes. And tit for tat. Offence is always taken, never given. Painful as it can be for humans to get their heads or hearts around that, forget, and do it all over again.
"It's like this whole town. Big heads, small potatoes."
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/incels-a-result-of-technology.48094/post-860673
I like your self ID take in the third post. We should probably stop lying to eachother. Maybe then we'd stop identifying with lies. And go to God.
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If you give women an inch, they will take a mile. I don't need to argue this. This has been the case since the fall of Adam and Eve. By trying to control Adam, Eve seeded in all women the disposition toward controlling men. It grants them no peace even if we were to give in to whatever demands they make, it only feeds their particular disordered narcissism, and inflames the ego without any relief, causing them to be disappointed in the men, obedient as they might be in some cases.
I'm afraid uprooting this disordered behavior in their souls and restoring their proper spiritual disposition will be quite painful to them. This of course is not to say men don't also have spiritual disorders right now, but correcting the current problem requires men to tear down the conception of women that they subconsciously inherited from the feminist zeitgeist, which many are unwilling to do. -
Funny, I have not heard a woman, feminist or otherwise, use the term incel in real life. It seems to be a term that only exists on social media, for me anyway.
A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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getting pussy is absolutely the finest thing on this planet. It can be heaven. A stable relationship with lots of sex is key to happiness for a man.
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@Peatly This is true. While its frequency depends on the demographic you interact with, such as college-age women vs. middle-age rural Americans, I myself have only heard its use a couple times in my life.
There's one problem, however: The internet is more important than real life.
