Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set

ThinPicking

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

nothing can affect me negatively or frighten me

yerrag

I personally don't think Ray means digital culture to mean anything that has to deal with the physical machinery that processes information that attempts to do better than the brain does. It means the change in society where we lose our ability to use our mind creatively to solve problems and to bring us to a higher level of refinement and understanding by surrendering our mind to having it replaced by artificial intelligence, which would make us less capable by failing to exercise our mind, and by disuse we forfeit our ability to develop wisdom, which comes with our attachment to the spiritual nature in us.

Already we see this at play in masterpieces that are never equalled in contemporary times. Paintings. Architecture. Music. Classical works in literature. But this may be a debatable point.

But can we compute with our minds when we had no calculators nor computers as our parents did? Can we use our minds to approximate or are we now held captive to precision that requires a digital instrument. Think about a billiard pro or a golf pro or a Steph Curry. Do they approximate or do they digitally triangulate for precision?

A lot of our thinking is an endless labyrinth of approximation at play. It is an endless connecting of dots where we use our faculties of reason and logic . When we spot a fake in an artwork or in Grecian sculpture, we use our senses. When we find faults in logic, we rely on our minds even though we can't really put in words why we think the logic is flawed, although the rules of logic have been figured out already though we haven't come across them.

If you know Ray, and I don't claim to know him that well, I think it is enough to know him as not being of the Luddite variety of preferring tablets over paper, or of horses over cars, nor of typewriters over word processors, nor of an abacus over a Casio calculator. I don't even think he would object to AI over pre-AI computing. Especially where it comes to helping us sort thru the falsehoods where we face the prospect of being overwhelmed by propaganda by the powers that be that already make me feel that at least half of what I believe is true is false.

If you use AI for bringing light to where there is darkness, it is only long overdue and not a moment too soon, for we can be sure that your AI machine is only attempting to at most achieve parity with the AI mega monstrosities out there, in the hands of the evil empire at large, who would use AI in the worst way possible- to give us bliss through ignorance.

Yes, if Peat were alive, I believe he would bless your efforts and wish you Godspeed. For having a foundation of truth is where we can start to fight digital culture and thus continue to fight to end oligarchy.

Peatful

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@sharko

I personally don't think Ray means digital culture to mean anything that has to deal with the physical machinery that processes information that attempts to do better than the brain does. It means the change in society where we lose our ability to use our mind creatively to solve problems and to bring us to a higher level of refinement and understanding by surrendering our mind to having it replaced by artificial intelligence, which would make us less capable by failing to exercise our mind, and by disuse we forfeit our ability to develop wisdom, which comes with our attachment to the spiritual nature in us.

Already we see this at play in masterpieces that are never equalled in contemporary times. Paintings. Architecture. Music. Classical works in literature. But this may be a debatable point.

But can we compute with our minds when we had no calculators nor computers as our parents did? Can we use our minds to approximate or are we now held captive to precision that requires a digital instrument. Think about a billiard pro or a golf pro or a Steph Curry. Do they approximate or do they digitally triangulate for precision?

A lot of our thinking is an endless labyrinth of approximation at play. It is an endless connecting of dots where we use our faculties of reason and logic . When we spot a fake in an artwork or in Grecian sculpture, we use our senses. When we find faults in logic, we rely on our minds even though we can't really put in words why we think the logic is flawed, although the rules of logic have been figured out already though we haven't come across them.

If you know Ray, and I don't claim to know him that well, I think it is enough to know him as not being of the Luddite variety of preferring tablets over paper, or of horses over cars, nor of typewriters over word processors, nor of an abacus over a Casio calculator. I don't even think he would object to AI over pre-AI computing. Especially where it comes to helping us sort thru the falsehoods where we face the prospect of being overwhelmed by propaganda by the powers that be that already make me feel that at least half of what I believe is true is false.

If you use AI for bringing light to where there is darkness, it is only long overdue and not a moment too soon, for we can be sure that your AI machine is only attempting to at most achieve parity with the AI mega monstrosities out there, in the hands of the evil empire at large, who would use AI in the worst way possible- to give us bliss through ignorance.

Yes, if Peat were alive, I believe he would bless your efforts and wish you Godspeed. For having a foundation of truth is where we can start to fight digital culture and thus continue to fight to end oligarchy.

Ah
No

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Nor has my first point been addressed satisfactorily

His data is “all over the place”; because Peat never told one what to do; what to think

He wanted us to think for ourselves

Using AI is the antithesis of his personhood imo

However
Great business idea to maximize on a prophet /genius of a man….

Butter Girl

@sharko
Why would they be afraid of other people aquiring Ray Peat knowledge? Because they wouldn’t be able to profit off of it knowing others knew what they knew? Is that what you mean?

ThinPicking

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

I understand that there are also people who have studied for many years the knowledge of Ray Peat and relevant knowledge and they are also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time it took them.

Honestly man I sincerely doubt the afraid part of that. If they've assembled a piece or a whole of the biscuit they probably needed some heart and humour to do it. And some of that probably rubbed off from Ray. Seems likely to me the only thing they'll fear is someone trying to distort the opportunity for others so they can make it appear 'proprietary' and monetise on that basis. Which no one (I've seen) having some success in this 'space' is doing. Because it's all replicable, except the conduct and personality of a person currently doing it.

(This is not anti IP propaganda generally. I just think 'health' ought to be open source-ish.)

yerrag

@Peatful

I see no harm to myself when I try to consolidate the "data all over the place" in Ray's writing over the years - by using a search engine in my cellphone to search thru his writings, by keyword searches, when I cannot yet read all that he has written, in my attempt to get useful snippets of his mind to, to gain a better understanding of a problem that confronts me, with respect to my health, so that I can connect the dots, and from this research, I can come up with a plan of action to improve my health.

Does using a search engine constitute a violation. against your idea of fighting digital culture as much as you abhor the use of AI? Do you think you would fall to the trap of not having to think when you use AI? Or are you free to choose to think, perceive, and act better when you have more quality information to work with?

When we can solve our own problems than rely on some spell that controls our minds to make us think we are thinking but are just echoing ideologies inculcated to us by the powers that be, aren't we individually breaking free of the mind control, and when we find among us similarly disposed souls, and work together, are we not closer to Ray's first goal of ending the oligarchy?

Butter Girl

@ThinPicking

The way I personally approach “Ray Peat” eating is use what works for you and throw out the other stuff.

I’m finding tremendous benefit from adding collagen/ certain amino acids. I have Ray Peat to thank for that.

Just like I did with other eating approaches. I like Ray’s approach in that he didn’t demonize carbohydrates like the keto diet does. Now the ketoians are coming around to adding carbs. So go figure. Soon they won’t even be Keto anymore.

The hormone/pregnenolone/ progesterone thing that Ray endorsed did not work for me. Really threw my body off so I stopped it.

To me:

Just eating all low carb, or no carbs = unhealthy. Screwed up my sleep. Your brain needs sugar/ carbs to sleep properly. A tbsp. of honey to me is the perfect sleep food. And glycine/ taurine throughout the day.
Taurine has me sleeping like a baby.
Just eating all carbs = unhealthy
Just eating all fat or too much fat =unhealthy
Just eating simple sugars all day ( like it seems a lot of peatians were doing) = unhealthy
Just eating all vegtables ( aka vegitarian diet) = unhealthy
6)Pufas…soy, canola, corn etc= unhealthy
7)butter, coconut oil, lard etc. = healthy IN MODERATION

*7) the thing I get out of all the info is that BALANCE is the key. For me anyway. In other words, it’s ok to have “some” carbs, “some” healthy fats, “some” protein ( i tend to eat a little higher protein now) “some” veggies, “some” fruit, “some” simple sugars, “some” exercize ( but not strenuous all the time which stresses the body and contributes to serotonin)

But eating just “one” way, and saying it is the ONLY way, in my opinion, is a recipe for disaster. Of all the approaches of eating and lifestyle, Ray Peats ideas seem the most open minded.

If people can get back to a common sense approach with food, exercize, lifestyle choices, we all might be a little healthier. In my humble opinion.

sharko

@Kvirion OK bro.

You have the right to think what you want

sharko

@yerrag I liked.

I can say from my experience, that the digital age is a combination of heaven and hell. I almost died as a result of 15 intense years in the digital field and then I was exposed to Ray Peat and I saved myself thanks to the knowledge he spread.

Then again I fell victim to digital and again saved myself. It happens all the time for the reason that I am addicted to accumulating knowledge and give up every time the understanding that staying away from the digital is the basis of good health.

And yes, people who don't understand, think of AI only in terms of robots, aliens and evil. It's just like Google for example, just allows faster progress of good and bad things.

I'm sure Ray had time to test the AI capabilities and would have used them chronically for his research if he was still alive.

ThinPicking

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

I almost died as a result of 15 intense years in the digital field and then I was exposed to Ray Peat and I saved myself thanks to the knowledge he spread.

Then again I fell victim to digital and again saved myself. It happens all the time for the reason that I am addicted to accumulating knowledge and give up every time the understanding that staying away from the digital is the basis of good health.

sharko

@ThinPicking

sharko

@ThinPicking said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

I understand that there are also people who have studied for many years the knowledge of Ray Peat and relevant knowledge and they are also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time it took them.

Honestly man I sincerely doubt the afraid part of that. If they've assembled a piece or a whole of the biscuit they probably needed some heart and humour to do it. And some of that probably rubbed off from Ray. Seems likely to me the only thing they'll fear is someone trying to distort the opportunity for others so they can make it appear 'proprietary' and monetise on that basis. Which no one (I've seen) having some success in this 'space' is doing. Because it's all replicable, except the conduct and personality of a person currently doing it.

(This is not anti IP propaganda generally. I just think 'health' ought to be open source-ish.)

It's because you haven't reached that point yet that you understand how the world really works and maybe you also got everything on a gold spoon, otherwise I have no explanation why you think that everyone who is involved in sharing knowledge or making it accessible should do it for free and you don't see the other side of the currency: I need to make a living, I can do it by continuing to be active in areas such as digital marketing for businesses or I can do it by making a huge contribution to the world, by allowing researchers to expand their knowledge quickly and share it with others (in many cases paid, to earn a living)

I can tell you that during the last 15 years, my level of professionalism, knowledge and experience have allowed me to earn more than is necessary for a good life, with much less effort than it took me in the last year, in which I stopped working only to invest every minute in continuing Bioenergetics research and helping people at no cost For me to continue professionalizing, including the work required to establish such an AI infrastructure and all because with everything I had in the field of digital marketing, it made me very sick because I felt like I was wasting my time without contributing anything vital to the world.

Peatful

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

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Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

ThinPicking

Wait what. That's not what I'm saying at all. Hardware costs. Computation costs. Time (and heart) for archiving costs, curation costs, monitoring, and development costs.

As does time (and heart) any existing Peat related product or service anyone's providing. I was saying they don't appear to be involved in protectionism. And if they have a fear it's probably that some might try at some point.

And sharko. I've been forced to work my arse off in life. While now being able to explain in considerable legislative and 'economic' detail how the world 'really works'.

sharko

@Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

—————————————————————-
Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

Peatful

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

—————————————————————-
Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

Are you a dad?

No need to answer
I respect that is quite personal

I prefer to fight for my kid’s freedoms and the Truth

yerrag

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had prejudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

ThinPicking

To be fair @Peatful I auto 'hated' 'digital culture' before I hated corporate law. I just see it (as it currently is and has been for 20 years) as a by-product now. But in many ways so are the semiconductors. I'm not an arsonist, there's a lot about corporatism that works, and doesn't involve a Faustian relationship with subjects (in my opinion). A tweak or two could (possibly) go a long way in changing culture.

I already had some experience for the pivot. Having turned over medicine long before my Peat era for losing a love. I wondered at that point why 'protocol' is so fixed and why 'certified' pros are so bound by it. Inevitably I arrived at a legal industrial complex, right beside the medical one.

If there was one thing I could discuss with Dr Peat, it would be this.

Peatful

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

Lol

I don’t name call
I don’t attack

I am direct
Can be a bitch at times

I say what I believe
My behaviors equal my words and values
My husband is awesome
We are a happy family
With tons of grace here

I do not see AI as a double edged sword at all
I believe it to be all bad
Really

Call me Karen
Despise away

My issue is with someone saying Peat would think this is good
Or “bless” it

Peat’s response was pretty clear to me

My frame of reference was years of email correspondence with him- not about solving health issues
But
Personal things
Parenting
Upbringing
Education
Life…

You have heard it said?:
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth

sharko

@Peatful I am a father who puts his children before anything else and fights tooth and nail to be with them every possible minute. Instead of spending time trying to fix the world for them, I invest in what matters most to them: the present. And while I strive to earn a living by helping other people feel better and also to be exposed to the truth and this is my little help to the world and their future