Mike Fave and Jay Feldman debunk Grant Genereux's vitamin A is a toxin book
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@GreekDemiGod
I found the whole no posting sources or poor references as a show stopper on its's own. The other explanations were just icing on Grant's cake. -
Bioenergetic member Mike Fave (aka CLASH) "reviews the scientific studies used as references in Grant Genereux's book "Poisoning for profits" on the supposed harmful effects of vitamin A on human health."
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The guy is doubling down, but he misses the point again. Claims that the doses to reach toxicity are extremely high, but doesn’t understand that harm begins much earlier.
https://x.com/mikefavescience/status/1815556560522731522?s=46&t=a8gKZoLMKC0o1r60b5az-g -
Another person who isn't able to write "Genereux" properly.
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@GreekDemiGod
i looked for a number and ~10,000iu-12,000 daily is where it gets harmful from increased inflammation in some brain areas, the mitochondria impairment mainly happens over that especially pronounced at ~25,000iu which is where cell death signalling increases a lot too, so i think 5000iu is a good max for benefits without overload
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(my take on that maybe the complex iv fuckery is from exporting too much copper from cells)
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https://www.academia.edu/12646782/Vitamin_A_supplementation_at_pharmacological_doses_induces_nitrosative_stress_on_the_hypothalamus_of_adult_Wistar_rats
~10,000iu starts to show some lipid peroxidation in brain, but barely inhibits complex iv. BUT does show increased cell death signalling in the brain , and inflammatory in brain (tnf-a) , 1000iu/kg too much https://www.academia.edu/14043934/Pharmacological_doses_of_vitamin_A_increase_caspase_3_activity_selectively_in_cerebral_cortex both studies showed inflammation increase in brain ~10,000iu https://www.academia.edu/4945253/Vitamin_A_supplementation_at_clinical_doses_induces_a_dysfunction_in_the_redox_and_bioenergetics_states_but_did_change_neither_caspases_activities_nor_TNF_α_levels_in_the_frontal_cortex_of_adult_Wistar_rats
next dose 25,000iu daily shows a lot higher toxicity, with complex IV inhibition. and these are assumedly rats that have all nutritional factors on point (vit c e etc, apart from probably decently high pufa).*~10,000 - 12,000 iu daily is pushing it to too much
*~25,000 - 30,000 iu daily is a lot worse
*so looks better to stick to <10,000 iu daily, maybe 5000iu is good to get benefits without overload. and should be helpful to ensure some vit c intake -
So this is why I feel semi-retarded after eating big doses of beef liver. I’ve tried smaller doses of pate and get similar benefits without the mental retardation and hair thinning.
I definetly think people should be careful with foods like liver that are exceptionally high in vitamin A. I have noticed pretty bad hair thinning from my mother as well as signs of an altered mental state after she ate copious amounts of my pate unbeknown to me. It’s of no doubt that these high doses of the vitamin aren’t safe for some and even Ray talks about this here: https://www.bioenergetic.life/?q=Retinol+supplement+
I assume the thyroid needs to be optimal for the real benefits of vitamin A and for most that’s not the case.
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Nate Lawrence has described gallbladder/liver issues now. There's definitely something conditional going on here.
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@ThinPicking yeah, I was surprised. I thought he is radiating with health.
He montioned in a reply that he lowered his VA intake and feels a little better from it.I think some amount of soluble fiber is needed for optimal bile functioning.
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Grant has published a reaction post to those videos.
https://ggenereux.blog/2024/07/28/jay-feldmans-and-mike-faves-hit-piece-videos/
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I thought that Grant's reply on his website was pretty good. The most compelling argument is that vitamin A accumulates over a lifetime.
Mike Fave coincidentally posted a new anti-Grant video on YouTube today.
