Energy Drinks
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Anyone know why I get odd symptoms from energy red bull and not coffee? I think it must be the b vitamins, they make me feel uneasy whereas coffee does not. This happens even if I take the red bull with food. It does however definetly give a massive boost in dopamine feeling which I think is from the b6 and a reduction in acne with I think is from the pantothenic acid.
I think it’s causing my blood sugar to spike and then drop dramatically, it might be the Niacinamide. I just took a b complex and had a similar reaction. Not sure the b12 is too helpful but I suspect it is probably either a net positive or neutral because I think I was deficient.
Coffee causes an increase in acne but less oily skin. Red bull results in less acne but more oily skin noticeable on my hands???
I think it’s causing me blood sugar issues almost like diabetes, I get blurry vision in the mornings which is reduced to almost none from coffee drinking compared to energy drinks.
Really enjoyed the benefits of energy drinks but the downsides outweigh them in my opinion so I’m probably gonna quit. I may try the b complex with food and see if it makes a difference. I’ve experimented with Niacinamide, thiamine, riboflavin, pantothenic acid and biotin in isolation and Niacinamide and biotin seem to cause the blood sugar problems and maybe even pantothenic acid. A more tailored approach may be necessary, or maybe I was lacking thiamin and riboflavin to balance the other B’s in redbull.
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@Jakeandpace Redbull gives me flushing if I take more than one. I think the flushing can have detrimental effects.
I said in another thread but I used to love drinking Redbulls and had a pretty strong reliance on them for that dopamine hit you talked about. I eventually realised my overconsumption of them was harming me though, I think the citric acid and the niacin causes like an allergic flush reaction.
I got awful Psoriasis from Redbulls after a while and nothing I tried to help it from a bioenergetic approach was working until I eventually stopped Redbulls entirely and it gradually cleared up completely. It was affecting me for a year.
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Not for me. Considering the niacin is in the form of Niacinamide it wouldn’t make sense for it to be that so probably something else in it.
I’m making a more general enquiry I suppose about b vitamins and their effects (sometimes negative when in excess)
Edit* sorry I just saw the rest of the post, it could have been the citric acid your right. Glad your psoriasis cleared. Do you drink any form of caffeine or take any supplements as of now?
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@Jakeandpace Yes, I drink coffee pretty much daily but it doesn't give me that sudden boost that Redbull used to. I do feel smarter on days when I drink a lot of coffee and milk though.
I got flushing from Niacinamide pills when I first tried when out so either I got a bad supp or took too much or am just sensitive to flushing from them. I think it was 250mg so maybe too much.
Citric acid is definitely inflammatory for me in general. I used to rationalise my excessive Redbull use by thinking that the magnesium carbonate somehow neutralised the citric acid but now I just avoid citric acid altogether and feel better for it.
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No.
But I drink regular coke or pibb daily and feel pretty good with that. Any opinion on HFCS? I get mex coke or real sugar root beer somewhat often too. I try to get vitamins only from food. -
@Corngold I remember a clip where Ray Peat spoke about how some entity had analysed sodas and found that their so called high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) content was actually not so high in fructose. Much of the corn syrup hadn’t been converted to sugar, and remained in the form of starch, making the calorie content a multiple of what it was stated to be. I don’t know if that is still the case, but wouldn’t be surprised if it is still so.
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Hm.. I'll look into this. I think the Randall Cycle is more important in this case, then (not even considering glyphosate or other hypotheses with corn products - I see karo regular corn syrup doesn't say "bioengineered" so I wonder if these are actually regular fructose? been wanting to make homemade cola).
All I know is I've been able to drop excess weight and/or water weight eating higher sugar and carbs and low fat. I stopped eating protein/fat lunches and went for more fruit and pop and cheese and have way more energy. I realized when I would buy a coke I could finally get through the day without wanting to nap or getting a headache. I think I do pretty well with starch because I eat bread and potatoes often. I think being aware of the Randall Cycle also helps me think through and avoid the "swamp" tendency that is ubiquitous in the American SAD diet.
But again, the pop hfcs issue I think is totally tied to the swamp eating issue and pufa / fried food, donuts, etc. Almost nobody eats fruit and drinks pop; they're eating fried chicken and pop or donuts, or fast food burgers, etc. I'm not yet convinced that pop is as bad as they say it is.
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@Corngold Pop is good if you read Ray Peat. Especially Coke. Mexican Coke in particular.
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I love it but it's $7 for 48oz... 20 oz is like $2, so it's nearly twice the cost. Good root beers and other cane sugar pops are like $5-6 for 48oz. I wonder what he thought about root beer? I know cola has citrus extracts and spices, which I think are good. Root beer mostly just has a few root extracts and sugar. Fentimans pops are amazing but expensive - they have a Dandelion Burdock pop.
I thought I was going crazy because the killers in Capote's book In Cold Blood are always drinking root beers and taking aspirin and smoking. Peaty.
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@LucH 1g matcha tea powder is not the same as 1g egcg
1g egcg is a high dose and it is very gross tasting -
@Corngold lol.. and then the soda was better than now (real sugar), the aspirin wasn’t practically disallowed, and the cigarettes had little if any junk in them
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Exactly! The good old days lmao... retvrn!
