Would taking thyroid supplements be a good way to lose visceral fat?
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@AnxiousMess That's kind of odd. I think you may not have eaten enough nutrients to replace what was lost. Especially since thyroid is involved in sex steroids: ie sex drive.
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Why a high fat diet?
I could never make the low fat high t3 cutting work.
But, I tried it again with an egg yolk a day for cholesterol, and I dropped a few inches on my waste. The demand on cholesterol gets really high at those doses so that’s why I started this…
That was in the dead of winter, so in more temperate months I should do better. The weight loss mostly happened on multiple consecutive warm days (Texas where the weather is all over the map) — and it was noticeable that fast. Totally gonna shred it when I can get more t3 in in these warmer months.Over a month or so, I worked up to two weeks daily 125mcg plus every few days putting red/infrared on my thyroid for a few minutes.
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@Pooooop been doing this diet for fat loss with really good results recently, many people say they can drop 10 lbs in a month pretty easily. probably better than a traditional calorie deficit.
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@LetTheRedeemed What i meant is that since I'd be taking fat from my body, I'd be on a high fat diet by default of losing body fat.
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@Pooooop oh ok. Yeah I took some aspirin and frequent small dose niacinamide when I did it
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@Pooooop said in Would taking thyroid supplements be a good way to lose visceral fat?:
Pooooop
2 days agoWould I have to change my macronutrient intake in order to counter for the fact I'd be intaking a high fat diet?
Have you heard of Fast diet or diet 5.2?
No need to diminish how much you eat, except you do not overload. 2 days a week you limit the calories: 2 adapted meals after 14 hours fast (from 8 P.M. till 10 a.m. the next day).
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@LucH said in Would taking thyroid supplements be a good way to lose visceral fat?:
diet 5.2
I already kind of eat weird 2 days out of the week (sat/sun). Maybe I could be more specific about it though. I odn't know how eating less 2 days out a week wouldn't be overwritten by the 5 days a week
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@Pooooop It doesn't matter what type of macros you're eating if you're not in a caloric deficit. You could eat pure sugar all day and if you burn more calories than you eat, you will lose weight.
Thyroid function being optimal will definitely help make it possibly easier to lose weight, but all that is doing is increasing your BMR/TDEE. You can leverage that to lose more weight, just like people leverage cardio and working out to help lose weight. There's so many threads from people on the old forum talking about how they got fat "Peating". No shit. You were slonking down gobs of coconut oil and honey/sugar on top of all the other food you eat and didn't add any exercise. If you told that to ANY gym bro, they'd be able to tell you why.
There's a lot of magical thinking in this sphere that calories/CICO doesn't exist or doesn't affect losing weight. It absolutely does. You have to consistently eat less calories than you're burning to lose weight. Just how it is.
Millions and millions of people have proven and science has conclusively proven that CICO is real.Read about BMR/TDEE. Understand it. It will be EASY to lose weight after that if you're honest with yourself and consistent.
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@Pooooop said in Would taking thyroid supplements be a good way to lose visceral fat?:
already kind of eat weird 2 days out of the week (sat/sun).
Strict version of diet 5.2 (fast diet)
A typical “fast diet” day consists of “two meals of approximately 250 to 300 calories each, depending on the sex of the person (500 calories for women, 600 for men). Two eggs and a slice of ham for breakfast, with a tangerine; a dish of steamed fish and vegetables for dinner” for example.
It is preferable to have a light intake of carbohydrates, without exceeding 40 g, in order to maintain ketosis, when glycogen is depleted.
This is on average the ration that suits most of us. In reality, this corresponds to 25% of what is necessary for our multiple + activities.
A 1m70 woman is generally between 1600 and 2000 K/cal. More like 2000. 25% of 2000 K/cal will give 500 K/cal.
A 1m80 man often eats between 2300 and 2500 K/cal. 25% of 2400 K/cal will give 600 K/cal. The amount depends on your activities. Here, no physical work.
NB: Not 2 days in a row.
I combine this 5.2 diet with the option 16/8. I choose 14 hours (not eating between 8 P.M. and 10 a.m.) -
@AnxiousMess I wonder if you couldn't have an issue of oxidative stress.
This is what T3 could especially aggravate and oxidative stress is thought to be linked to anxiety.Regarding OP, there are lots of papers about the benefits of thyroid hormones for fatty liver.
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@Hearthfire CICO is real, but most CICO advocates don’t realize that the metabolism can be so slow, that CICO practically doesn’t work — and when you’re at that stage, you have to go really extreme, and end up burning water weight that comes right back.
Yes, many are incorrectly eating in this sphere — I know I did. fat makes you fat; the stage at which sugar converts into fat on a low fat diet is a lot… like around a cup a day for most people.
But, when liver is tanked and temps are low, it doesn’t really matter if someone tries CICO — They are making things worse. Ray talked about this and it’s where people get the erroneous idea that he didn’t know about CICO — it’s just that more people are at this compromised state than we realize.
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You're still doing the magical thinking. Metabolism doesn't change nearly as much as you think, and all that change does is change your BMR/TDEE. It's physically impossible for you to retain weight if you are in a caloric deficit. Gym bro culture has been over this a million times.
Changes in metabolism/BMR/TDEE is accounted for when you're losing weight. You have to recalculate TDEE after losing a lot of weight. Preferably every month on a diet, or when you plateau with weight loss. The same is true when gaining weight. It's very EASY to recalculate and find your maintenance/deficit levels by WEIGHING yourself every day. When you lose weight consistently, you've found your deficit levels. Tons of handy calculators for this online.
Fat doesn't make you fat. Neither does protein or sugar. Eating over your maintenance calorie level (caloric surplus) does.
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@Hearthfire I think you misunderstand how to work with some varieties of sick patients.
That’s ok. Just don’t assume that any part of my comment was ”magical thinking,” I’m speaking in practical contexts…
Yeah duh I could’ve gone back to IF and sub 1000 calories a day for a year and lost weight, and my cortisol and estrogenic symptoms would’ve only gotten worse. I had to quit my demanding job because of how sick I had become… there was no practical reason to try losing weight in that context. Sub800 cals on carnivore stopped working for weight loss. This is why my comment you responded to was filled with “practical”
Ray himself talked about this. There are obese people consuming 600 cals a day not able to lose weight. I was there. Cortisol and estrogen dominance have real impacts. You go lower in cals for those people and you
could beARE creating catastrophic downline effects. So many systems are beyond f’d at this point that to talk weight loss regime is insulting.Your paradigm is built on studies of cohorts that includes inevitable failure rates with no further inquiry as to why they failed — that is Peats area of expertise, and where I found substantial help to my issues so I could finally lose weight again.
In Broda Barnes’ book he notes it’s virtually impossible to lose weight when temps are very low.
CICO is Le fail:
https://youtu.be/mif1GaSN13A?si=KK-hQPLjJuzwwTYw
