If Ray Peat is so great, why is he dead?
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@thyroidchor27 that sounds about right
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@brad random question: does saying 'kill yourself' count as a threat of violence?
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@CO3 Yes, you are going out of the forum brother.
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@CO3 if you're referring to peatyourmeat's comment he was already banned but he also threatened to kill someone else so
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@Barghest I'm referring to my own potential future reply to OP
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@CO3 lol okay
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@Isaac
Ray was reasonably unhealthy in his younger years, somewhat restored it slowly, then later experimented a bit too much on himself. Yet he was still able to live to a ripe old age of 86 with full mental faculties to the end, despite it allThe man was never 100%, in certain ways yes he had regenerated, in others he was simply keeping himself patched up. He learned the hard way, which actually sounds familiar.
With our current environment the rest of us will be very very lucky to live to his age along with having our mental faculties intact and a modicum of physical health.
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OP thinks we should all live to 120yo.
I have the perfect forum recommendation for you.
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@CO3 yeah, can't encourage violence, even if it's self-harm
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@Isaac Because nobody gets out alive.
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@Isaac Because he was a pioneer, and never claimed to be 100% right about everything or to hold definitive answers and truths in biology. He still lived older than average, in good health, while having suffered heavy health issues when he was younger which is a good indicator that he was in the right direction for a lot of things. It's now our responsability to take his work one step further.
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Although you asked it in a rather uncouth manner, it is an interesting question. Certainly I think most people in the bioenergetic space regarded it as a shock and expected him to live longer than 86. Also I could be wrong here, but I do think Peat himself did discuss the death of other people and the causes involved, so I hope it's not disrespectful to discuss Peat's.
A few things that I think about are:
-- Lifespan versus healthspan. Peat obviously aged WAY better than average, how many 85 year olds are having such complex discussions, not many, but also not zero. It seems plausible to me that in the 85 to 100+ age range, genetics may play the largest role so it's just luck of the draw, but up to 85 one mostly has control control of their destiny by influencing healthspan.-- As mentioned here already, Peat had many health challenges throughout life; and was missing many teeth. Certainly plausible all these factors contributed to his death.
-- Exercise; this is currently above my knowledge level of Peat's ideas and lifestyle contrasted to the mainstream view on exercise, but my understanding is he was not doing a lot of physical activity / exercise in the later period of his life. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. For me personally, I feel best when combining a bionergetic diet with plenty of non hyper stressful physical activity, hiking, sports with friends like tennis & beach volleyball, bodyweight workouts and sprints on the grass or sand barefoot, swimming, etc.
-- The bioenergetic philosophy is not a static thing set in place by Peat. With its rise in popularity currently, and so many eyeballs and people experimenting with the ideas, surely in the future (or even already) we will advance our knowledge to new areas Peat was not aware of or tried himself, and that may allow us to push healthspans further than he was able to.
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Because he's not so great, he's quite the charlatan. In human studies PUFAs are typically helpful or neutral, yet his claim that they're toxic is probably what he hammers on the most throughout his work. The fact that he died of a stroke makes sense given that he preferred saturated fat, so much so that he would even use hydrogenated fats to avoid the little amount of PUFAs in coconut oil.
@Evolutionarily said in If Ray Peat is so great, why is he dead?:
It seems plausible to me that in the 85 to 100+ age range, genetics may play the largest role
Not only does this directly contradict Ray Peat's own claims but it is also wrong. Read de Magalhães or whoever.
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@beastliboi the thought i have is he got the wuhan virus and ray being ray didnt take high enough doses of aspirin or vitamin e or anything much to deal with it, i think in one of his newsletters he even suggested that the whole thing isn't such a big deal. there's lots of people who are dealing with post-viral issues now that chronic fatigue syndrome is finally pretty much mainstream and accepted.
as far as the pufa thing i know a health group where they use some pufas therapeutically (stuff like GLA and pufa in foods) and they are constantly posting great athletic transformations and pretty amazing hair loss reversals.
who is this de Magalhães you are referring to?
also i think bodybuilding / weight training is one of the keys to long healthy life. (not talking about neurotic pro bodybuilding , im talking about using weights regularly) and ray literally has a quote where he says he is not interested in it at all.
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@beastliboi said in If Ray Peat is so great, why is he dead?:
The fact that he died of a stroke
Where did you get this news? From Garrett Smith? Or did you just simply make this up?
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@noodlecat59 said in If Ray Peat is so great, why is he dead?:
far as the pufa thing i know a health group where they use some pufas therapeutically (stuff like GLA and pufa in foods) and they are constantly posting great athletic transformations and pretty amazing hair loss reversals.
all I know for certain is going cold turkey on pufa for at least 5 yrs made me metabolize both simple sugar and complex carbs very well, my blood sugar became very stable I can easily fast for 3 days without feeling I'll effects, I no longer have allergies.
I used to have to eat brown rice as eating white rice makes me hypoglycemic but after my cold turkey of pufas I went back to eating white rice as I no longer had issues of hypoglycemia anymore.
So the benefits of Pufa restriction are very real to me.
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I think there was a post on the retard forum which said he was eating vegetables again, maybe the sudden diet change wasn't good, maybe the stress of everything going on, maybe we're all visited in our sleep and asked if we are ready to go, and he was. Who knows.
Nobody knows for sure yet what determines the length of life, there are only clues as Ray wrote about.
He still lived to a decent age and at a better quality than a majority of his cohort. Who the fuck wants to live to 100 anyway? Unless you are filthy rich you're probably going to be eating tinned cat food at the age and being held down for the latest 'vaccine'.
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@Hando-Jin I did hear Ray say in interviews near the end of his life that he was experimenting more with vegetables. Sounded a lot like his original "Nutrition for Women" actually. Problem is I can't remember the interviews and bioenergetic.life doesn't seem to have the clips either.
