Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”
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@CrumblingCookie said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:
It's just a thought for avoiding the degree of scalp skin disinfection from the ethanol or its alternative of 20-30% propylene glycol. Of which I cannot say how much significance that bears wrt to the skin microbiome.
What's the minimum ethanol concentration for enhancement of absorption?I don't remember the minimal concentration but I remember it should have been even a bit higher than it is now, especially since removing propylene glycol and especially for the apple polyphenols /procyanidins.
I'm not sure the scalp disinfection is a negative thing.
The fungal hypothesis seems more and more reasonable to me and ethanol does have anti fungal effects.This is where the issue with benzoic acid comes in, fungi thrive in low pH environments and if benzoic acids needs that as well, that might not work well.
In fact, potassium bicarbonate is really good at increasing the pH, which is part of its anti fungal effect. So Ill probably be adding this soon . Only topically though, since I don't want to neutralize stomach acid.@CrumblingCookie said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:
Ah well yes sir/m'lady, the results of laboratory analysis of your painfully plucked hairs are in: They are telogen and falling out and we advice you take this agent of chemical castration, brain neurotransmitter and collagen degeneration" - "Gee, thank you, doc. I better heed this because, boy, I really wouldn't know what to do without your great sophistication!"
Lol
@CrumblingCookie said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:
Might as well choose lactic acid for that instead?
That's a good point . at a low concentration there shouldn't be any systemic effects. So lactate seems interesting.
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@AinmBeo yes I looked into that yesterday. And I'll be going for "drinkable" food grade alcohol. It's more expensive, but the other alcohol is purposefully made un-drinkable with a bunch of additives.
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@Mauritio
Yes.
I see a lot of food grade 190 proof sugar cane-based ethanol on amazon. I base that "food grade 190 proof sugar cane-based ethanol" choice on comments on the Peat site about this very issue. That looks right.
But I am going to the local ETOH store (right next to the pot store...next to the cigarette store) to see, is their Everclear 190 proof food grade ETOH cheaper than the same type of amazon product. -
Here's a bunch of people that claim harder water , containing more calcium carbonate, making their hair more healthy .
Interesting observation . Maybe it's the alkaline pH of the carbonate making it anti-fungal?
My hair has drastically lost health and thickness since moving to a city with soft water. Any ways to make my water harder?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Haircare/s/e1hgEg4eHLDare to think.
My X:
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I have added potassium bicarbonate to the formula at 0.5% .
Updated formula
D-Glucose: 1%
Apple Peel Polyphenols: 1%
NMN: 1%
Sodium Butyrate: 0.075%
Potassium Bicarbonate: 0.5%
Ethanol: 35%
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@Mauritio said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:
Any ways to make my water harder?
Putting it in the freezer might help
On a more serious note, I think there are some shower filters that add calcium and magnesium to the water.
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RPF forum member tyw seemed to somewhat agree . At least he saw lactate as the perfect brain fuel. Maybe that's true for hair as well.
Perhaps tissues that are sensitive to peroxidative damage do well with anaerobic glycolisis and using lactate ?!
"NOTE: the brain heavily regulates oxygen delivery to various tissues, and if those processes are disrupted, we can get over-oxygenation and therefore peroxidation of many brain components.
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SIDENOTE AGAIN: this is one of the reasons I am a supporter of the theory that Lactate is the ideal brain fuel."https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/tyw-said-something-that-makes-alot-of-sense.15816/post-217831
"Elevated ROS levels in hair follicle cells during the catagen phase facilitate hair follicle degeneration through the regulation of Trx1 and Foxp1 (Zhao et al., 2015). Balding scalps exhibits increased levels of ROS in the dermal papillae compared to non-balding scalps (Shin et al., 2013; Bakry et al., 2014)."
https://www.biomolther.org/journal/view.html?uid=1565&vmd=Full& -
anyone tried menthol crystals dissolved in vodka on the scalp?
feels incredible, cooling but also warming,
really nice
no greasiness like peppermint oil
new formula would simply be
vodka
peppermint crystals
NMN powder instead of niacinamide -
This study might be relevant to this thread.
Intermittent fasting = bad for hair because of increase in free fatty acids, which cause oxidative stress.
This might make biotin an even more attractive candidate, since besides its general pro-metabolic effects it also lowers FFAs.
This study also corroborates the one I posted above showing hair cells are sensitive to oxidative stress.
https://bioenergetic.forum/post/46125
https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/biotin-decreases-serum-free-fatty-acids.12109/
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@Gaston Nietsche's Superman is stimulated by hairloss
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@LetTheRedeemed lol
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@Mauritio XD
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Final hair loss formula:
menthol crystals
camphor crystals
NMN powderdissolve in vodka to make a non greasy solution
manual scalp massager to stimulate growth
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I tried topically applying some L-Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate and it made me smell like a chlorinated pool, or something. So it's not something that I will be able to keep on my scalp throughout the day. Instead I will try to apply it for an hour or so prior to showering, along with dextrose.
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@Gaston look forward to hearing how that goes.
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@Mauritio
I've been using0.5% Butyrate sodium
1.5% Dextrose
1.5% Lactic acid (L(S)+)
1.0% Potassium chlorideand since I didn't have any pure alcohol or propylene glycol at hand I added the above to a store-bought hair tonic containing alcohol, glycerin, panthenol, coffeine, ocimum basilicum extract.
I clearly went on the very generous side with the dextrose concentration. Maybe I'll back down to 1%.Findings:
- This blend works better than what I had used before (dextrose or dextrose+ASS+glycine or the store product by itself).
- What I ascribe to the lactic acid: My scalp was slightly itchy after application in the beginning. Then I seemed to get used to it. Now still again sometimes. It seems in many cosmetic recipes, they just go for 0.5% free lactic acid and 2-10% lactate-sodium. The latter is allegedly much gentler. I may therefore choose to use potassium carbonate next time instead of KCl.
- This blend leads to an odd kind of coating on my hair, though, which can make them look like not been washed for several days. It's not immediate, i.e. when I've applied the solution after a shower in the evening it's all fine and dandy but in the morning it will already appear as if I hadn't washed my hair for at least day or as if I had worked out and sweat. It's not sticky nor does it look dirty or truly greasy, however. Kind of reminds me of the dry oilyness of saturated magnesium chloride solution.
Any idea what causes this? I'm thinking perhaps the combination of the butyrate or salts with the glycerin or alcohol.
Other thoughts I haven't yet deeply looked into or decided upon:
- Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol
- Benzoic Acid, Sorbic Acid (+Benzyl Alcohol)
- Phenetyl Alcohol
for preservation instead of alcohol + propylene glycol. - Pirocton olamine for antifungal action to take up the discussed topic of skin fungal burdens. This one had been proposed at the old RPF yet without feedback.
- 2% Urea for keratolysis, i.e. better absorption + as a skin humectant.
- Bisabolol for antiinflammatory + antimicrobial action + as a skin humectant + reductant.
- Allantoin for antiinflammatory + proliferative action + mild keratolysis (instead of urea?) + as a skin humectant.
- Vitamin E, racemic acetate or natural tocopherol as a skin humectant + reductant.
- Propolis (extract) for flavonoids for soothing +proliferative action.
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@CrumblingCookie said in Reversal of hair loss in Mice with “sugar gel”:
@Mauritio
I've been using0.5% Butyrate sodium
1.5% Dextrose
1.5% Lactic acid (L(S)+)
1.0% Potassium chlorideand since I didn't have any pure alcohol or propylene glycol at hand I added the above to a store-bought hair tonic containing alcohol, glycerin, panthenol, coffeine, ocimum basilicum extract.
I clearly went on the very generous side with the dextrose concentration. Maybe I'll back down to 1%.Findings:
- This blend works better than what I had used before (dextrose or dextrose+ASS or the store product by itself).
- What I ascribe to the lactic acid: My scalp was slightly itchy after application in the beginning. Then I seemed to get used to it. Now still again sometimes. It seems in many cosmetic recipes, they just go for 0.5% free lactic acid and 2-10% lactate-sodium. The latter is allegedly much gentler. I may therefore choose to use potassium carbonate next time instead of KCl.
- This blend leads to an odd kind of coating on my hair, though, which can make them look like not been washed for several days. It's not immediate, i.e. when I've applied the solution after a shower in the evening it's all fine and dandy but in the morning it will already appear as if I hadn't washed my hair for at least day or as if I had worked out and sweat. It's not sticky nor does it look dirty or truly greasy, however. Kind of reminds me of the dry oilyness of saturated magnesium chloride solution.
Any idea what causes this? I'm thinking perhaps the combination of the butyrate or salts with the glycerin or alcohol.
Other thoughts I haven't yet deeply looked into or decided upon:
- Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol
- Benzoic Acid, Sorbic Acid (+Benzyl Alcohol)
- Phenetyl Alcohol
for preservation instead of alcohol + propylene glycol. - Pirocton olamin for antifungal action to take up the discussed topic of skin fungal burdens. This one had been proposed at the old RPF yet without feedback.
- 2% Urea for keratolysis, i.e. better absorption + as a skin humectant.
- Bisabolol for antiinflammatory + antimicrobial action + as a skin humectant + reductant.
- Allantoin for antiinflammatory + proliferative action + mild keratolysis (instead of urea?) + as a skin humectant.
- Vitamin E, racemic acetate or natural tocopherol as a skin humectant + reductant.
- Propolis (extract) for flavonoids for soothing +proliferative action.
So many ingredients . How are you going to pinpoint what exactly helps if anything helps?
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@CrumblingCookie nice one.
Maybe the greasiness is from the chloride, which I don't use .Do you not get weird rancid butter smell from the butyrate. I have dropped it from the newest batch.
I get a great cosmetic effect still. It doesn't seem to work everyday but most days. It's like a hair gel /wax strengthener .
I also feel like my scalp is more flexible and I can wiggle it around more easily.
Not sure if it decreased hair loss in general.
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@Mauritio said:
Do you not get weird rancid butter smell from the butyrate
Not at all. I had also used the butyrate suspended in water on my arms before and it was fine. Smell-wise it only slightly lingers when blended into oils. Maybe others with a selectively different sense of smell would disagree. Disappointing that you've given up on the topical butyrate as I would have liked to read more from your experience with it.
I get a great cosmetic effect still. It's like a hair gel /wax strengthener .
Could it be that we are referring to the same observation? The kind of coating or dry, non-sticky look of greasiness I mean could also be described as a fashionable surfer-style to out-of-bed-look. I agree the hair feels and looks smooth and nice immediately after application, easy to comb and accentuate and antistatic, i.e non-frizzy.
I also feel like my scalp is more flexible and I can wiggle it around more easily.
Not sure if it decreased hair loss in general.Generally I've noticed much less hair loss since applying this blend. It's almost as much as before on some days, though, annoyingly.
I'm definitely liking the lactic acid. The scalp seems smoother and less dry after regular use. I've looked through reviews online of pure LA drops and many people use it to rub their faces with, reporting smoother and fuller skin.
Intuitively I'd still like an alternative to the ethanol as a preservative and feel there's more immediate leeway for improving the scalp skin barrier and therefore the endogenous nutrient homeostasis. I don't want to obtain and store every possible substance but still perhaps blend in either something like those apple polyphenols or flavonoids like apigenin as a complementary (and definitely non-smelly) HDACi.
Another thought is, that if there's a reason to (always or specifically) suspect aforementioned inflammatory fungal influences I should really trial adding that pirocton olamine. Especially since the extra topical glucose would feed them too (and first).
@Gardner said:
So many ingredients . How are you going to pinpoint what exactly helps if anything helps?
The bottom list is still ideas to look through by me, or by you, or by any reader. Essentially, I'm currently only applying dextrose, LA, butyrate, KCl.
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@Gaston I want to correct my earlier comment in which I said that Alpha Ketoglutarate was odorous. It was actually potassium bicarbonate which was responsible for the odor. The L-Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate is very water soluble and has been easy to use, if anyone wants to try it.
