Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction
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User @anabology has gained popularity on X with his unique take on health. He advocates for eating little to no protein until dinner with unlimited sugar throughout the day in the form of honey/fruit. He eats 2k+ calories from just dates and honey. Im interested in trying this out but wondering your takes on it. Honey is not as nutrient dense as OJ or Milk so this could cause issues. But overall i think he has some great ideas. His personal regimen includes 1LB honey, 1/2 LB dates, some beef or milk at dinner and some heavy cream
A day of eating for me would look smth like this
Many are familiar with Ray's "80-100g" protein recommendation but what most people don't realize is that this was in the context of a 4-5k calorie diet. Ray clarified in Danny's GE podcast that his 100g recommendation was based on a 4–5K calorie diet. That meant he technically recommended a lower protein diet, not a higher one for most people who eat far less than that. Methionine, tryptophan, and cystein are known to be immflamitory and suppress thyroid. Restricting these amino acids can increase lifespan and metabolisn along with other benefits.
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@Honeybee
Sounds like a really gross diet.
Enjoy your tooth decay.
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@RawGoatMilk88 Honey, dates, and cream sounds gross? We have very different taste sir. Also sugar doesnt cause tooth decay if you have a sterile gut/oral microbiome, a good Ca:P ratio, and enough vitamin K2.
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@Honeybee
Those things are great, in the context of a varied diet. By themselves, in large amounts sounds vomit inducing.
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@RawGoatMilk88 True, Im all for abundance and variety. I dont see my self being this restrictive if i were to try a "protein restriction" esque diet. The generic ray peat OJ and Milk diet doesnt seem very appetizing either if thats all your eating haha. Thats why I like making real meals like milk powder pancakes, fruit custards, soups ice cream etc.
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Don't listen to young people about diet. What is he, like 25? At that age' everything works.
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@GreekDemiGod I agree he isnt as credible as someone like Ray who has years of research and experimentation under his belt. But. its also not nescesarily true that young people can feel good eating any diet. Im in ny early 20s and when i was raw vegan I felt sick, fatigued, i lost my libido, and my muscle mass. I had anxiety attacks induced from hypoglycemia and felt terrible.
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Why do you think @haidut 's BCAA + Tyrosine 2013 experiment worked then?
He claimed that his BPM reached over 100 and body temp of 39 C by consuming 2mg cypro +3500 mg BCAA and 1500 mg Tyrosine + Goat milk protein + Gelatin.
If BCAA were truly anti-metabolic, what can explain that?
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@jamezb46 Curious if he would be able to produce the same effect with cypro + tyrosene + gelatin but no BCAAs. Considering how many factors there were im not fully convinced the BCAAs were responsible for the metabolism increase although in intrigued.
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@GreekDemiGod said in Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction:
Don't listen to young people about diet. What is he, like 25? At that age' everything works.
my thoughts exactly. Anyone under 30 is pretty adaptable. -
@Serotoninskeptic said in Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction:
Im interested in trying this out but wondering your takes on it.
Saw this a few months back and decided to try a version of it.
My thought is that it requires too much consumption. It may be better to cycle between days with night-time protein and days with morning protein/fat. Granted I don't make time for elaborate breakfast and usually have coffee / fruit anyways. But, given two weekend days and five workdays, I think most people could see this as a format that could be cyclical.
I had coffee/sugar/milk, dates, mandarin oranges in the morning; cheese, occasional bread, Coke, apples for lunch; potatoes/meatloaf and/or milk for dinner. It "works" pretty well.
However, I think my blood sugar was a little too high a few times. I also think it is hacking into the metabolism sort of like cold air intake on an engine...basically just throwing fuel on a fire. I think steady is what's sustainable. I'm not mistaking steady for pufa-ridden, inflamed, depressed metabolism either because that is not good "steady."
In other words I probably have slower metabolism in general though I've been trying to eat low-pufa Peaty stuff for the last few years. I think I read somewhere that more glucose and sugar means you need to have more nutrients available to be absorbed. So it seems natural that it's better to do some like 70/30 carb to fat or carb to protein in meals too.
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@Serotoninskeptic I've been running this for the past few weeks and really been feeling the positive effects of protein restriction. I think it's important to note that eating only glucose/fructose upregulates FGF21 expression via isoleucine restriction, and such high serum fructose reduces phosphate levels by 30-50% according to this study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11036473/
so getting super high dietary calcium as many peaters recommend is probably less necessary.an unexpected result was that I find myself urinating much less, and when I do, I have very little foaming, which would probably be expected when consuming low protein. I will admit that the fasting portion of the diet is pretty brutal, especially coming from drinking milk by the quart, but i think you'd get the same antiinflammation and metabolism-boosting effects, just without the weight loss omitting it.
It's also notable that my nasal passages are much less swollen, for my whole life I've only been able to breathe through one nostril at a time but now I can breathe through both almost all day, but with my last meal, they swell up again.
you should try it out and see for yourself!
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@samson said in Anabology Honey Diet & Protein Restriction:
an unexpected result was that I find myself urinating much less, and when I do, I have very little foaming, which would probably be expected when consuming low protein. I will admit that the fasting portion of the diet is pretty brutal, especially coming from drinking milk by the quart, but i think you'd get the same anti-inflammation and metabolism-boosting effects, just without the weight loss omitting it.
I noticed slightly more frequent urination, but I was plenty hydrated. I second your comment on clear breathing - it just seems to go with getting a big dose of energy from the fruits and sugar.
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Well if you read the original thread, he did get a metabolism increase from cypro + BCAA + tyrosine (no gelatin or goat milk)
So, my claim here is not that BCAA is necessarily metabolism boosting (though @haidut has evidence they increase maximum lifespan) but that it’s not metabolism hindering, which I thought is a refutation to @anabology ’s point.
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@jamezb46 not sure where anabology got to isoleucine specifically actually. this study about fgf21 says that they were able to replicate the metabolism-boosting effect of restricting a myriad of individual amino acids.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8761941/
