what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?
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@wester130 I can't believe I forgot about cypro. Give it a shot. I have no experience with Phosphatidylserine. I'd look deeper into.
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@risingfire do you think low dose cabergoline could work?
it seems to reduce prolactin and cortisol
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@wester130 I'm sure it would lower prolactin but I'm not sure about cortisol. What is your prolactin at?
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i'm looking into a new idea of male PCOS
so taking things like spearmint, licorice and Vitex to solve it
thoughts?
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@wester130 stay away from licorice, it’s supposed to be highly estrogenic besides messing with your cortisol. I think mint is fine if it suits you, and have heard good things about vitex, so i guess worth a try.
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@risingfire said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:
@wester130 cortisol
pregnenolone
idea labs cortiNon
cyproheptadine
sugar
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@Hando-Jin those would not work for hyperandrogenism
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@wester130 I don't know. You asked for things that lower cortisol, and all of those things do. You won't know without experimentation, I guess.
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@16charactersitis I put a lot of time into this idea about two years ago. I don't think those things are really going to move the needle if you truly have the male version of PCOS. You would need DHT, progesterone, thyroid, vitamin D and cypro.
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@wester130 is male PCOS characterized by hyperandrogenism? I think it would be quite the opposite.
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@Hando-Jin The 4 riders of the Cortisol Apocalypse
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@Hando-Jin https://karger.com/hrp/article-abstract/65/2/106/372778/Liquorice-in-Moderate-Doses-Does-Not-Affect-Sex?redirectedFrom=fulltext
this says it reduces DHEA-S with little impact on Testosterone
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The problem is an overactive adrenal gland mostly
I think it is too much DHEA-S but testosterone is normal
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@wester130 I generally view that as a sign of balding. Too much prolactin
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even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen? -
@Corngold I honestly don't know.
Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.
I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount
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@Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens
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"it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."
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this mentions shbg, insulin and pcos
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