White tongue
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@yerrag Fungal and bacterial white tongue are simply different things. and it's easy to differentiate. Google it!!!!
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@CO3 If you could write a sentence to explain it briefly, and post a link that would spare me the hassle of using Google. I don't trust it and give Google search results to hand me an answer that involves some sort of semblance of truth.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag In general I can tell you: it's bacterial. It almost always is.
People like the idea of having a 'fungal' infection. This is the commodification of disease. People love having something cool. They think they're in a zombie movie.
Took me 10 seconds to find. Nothing conspiratory about it. Oral thrush is easy to identify. White coating caused by bacterial activity (sometimes turns slightly yellow, smells bad, there's no empty spots on it etc) is actually harder to solve. Candida can probably be nuked by simply taking sulphur.
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@CO3 I respect your belief in what Google can easily find for you and you being given to accept it. It's much easier to believe something that is well illustrated by a great graphic designer.
But I can only share what I discover myself, and I will say it is anecdotal, and that it is my experience, and I won't force fit you into my experience. I won't pretend to tell you that it "almost always" is fungal- as I can only make myself less credible in my being presumptuous.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag I found all this out through my own experience, as I've had both conditions and it's very simple to differentiate if you're not an American whose brain is wrecked by advertisements and the trauma of circumcision. I've made posts on twitter outlining the differences using my own photographs. It would just be useless to use them since I would have to look for them and the same information is to be found on Google. You think it's all a big conspiracy? When they diagnose oral thrush they're just making something up, there's no fungus to be found or when they do, it was planted by a federal agent?
You're dirt stupid. I would rather die than live one day with a brain as useless as yours. Go fuck yourself.
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@CO3 I'm crying at brain wrecked by "trauma of circumcision", haha.
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@CO3 In my experience penicillin can get rid of it rather immediately, but then comes a point where it doesn't and then I have to not take it for a while and then it will get rid of it again but it always comes back so is just curious and trying to figure it out. It also seems to coincide with dandruff. Both things that I've never had before until I got them and they just haven't gone away for a while though they do ebb and flow.
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@thebodyelectric_ yeah it's similar for me. what keeps the white tongue at bay is scraping, oil pulling and cleaning molars with waterpik. But there's a more foundational reason. Do you eat liver often?
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@CO3 I don't really. I think perhaps I don't eat it often enough? I eat chicken livers probably every other month or so, sometimes more and sometimes less.
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@thebodyelectric_ I think we both probably have Toxin A deficiency
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@CO3
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I have been looking for a solution as well. I made great strives by using some tools like carrot, button mushrooms, aspirin, doxy and penicillin-vk, avoiding starch. I made a big mistake by consuming a huge amount of white rice for a few days and it seems the intestinal bacteria has made a huge comeback.
I had stress/bruxism problems that disappeared a few months ago and they seem to have come back after the giga-starch consumption. I went for max dose cypro to curb the cortisol loop. Eating lots of mushrooms as well. But I think it might be useful to have a different approach.
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vIt might be useful to go the herbal route for a bit, it has shown to be more effective than some antibiotic treatments. This is one aspect I am considering, just need to source which herb(s) to use and in what formulation/protocol.
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@PrinceMyshkin said in White tongue:
I've tried the carrot salad, well cooked white button mushrooms and activated charcoal, but the white tongue persists. Only thing I haven't tried is low dose antibiotics but it seems excessive to try that just to get rid of the white tongue. Any thoughts?
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@PrinceMyshkin I have the same thing, started to happen about 7 years ago. I did notice increasing sensitivities to deodorants a little bit before the white tongue started to appear. Maybe 2 years after the white tongue I started to notice indentations around the tongue (scalloped tongue). Also, I tended to breath out of my mouth when sleeping and noticed my mouth became very dry and couldn't do that any longer.
I'm not sure what causes the white tongue, but might be related to mouth dryness.
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I've seb derm on my scalp and a white tongue. It seems to get worse when sleep is off. The remedies I've come across recently are: chewing clove, tongue scraping, MCT/coconut oil pulling/eating, anti candida supplements with loads of herbs like oregano etc, proper hygiene in general and avoiding starches. I notice some improvement with MCT oil, but will report back when I've tried it for a longer period of time.
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@CO3 i get this every morning, can scrape it off and tongue is red in day but it returns overnight. i think its sibo, esp i get herxheimer like reactions when i take antimicrobial stuff like coconut oil. do you have tips how to smartly tackle this? im trying to figure out how to get sterile small intestine while preserving large intestine bacteria; large intestine bacteria i think is very important, losing it could cause lactose, carb intolerance/malabsorption, ibd. @S-Holmes think i remember u made some info similar to this once
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@the-MOUSE I'm doing Nathan Hatch's therapies ("F*** Portion Control"). Every health issue is resolved by restoring metabolism. I don't know of another solution. I can go into more detail if anyone is interested but there's a lot to it. (Or visit the Biohacking with Nathan Hatch thread.)
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I've never tried it, but some copper dissolved in camphoric acid could be useful. Ray tried it and it seems like it worked.
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@PrinceMyshkin said in White tongue:
I've had a white coating on my tongue for years, I can't remember when it started, but I have had some pretty bad food poisoning in foreign countries a few different times. Regardless, I don't have any of the digestion issues often associated with bacterial overgrowth or endotoxin - I'm generally healthy by any measure, no major issues, good daily BM's, good energy, strong temp and pulse, etc. My question is whether I should be worried about the white tongue if I don't have any other worrisome symptoms? I've tried the carrot salad, well cooked white button mushrooms and activated charcoal, but the white tongue persists. Only thing I haven't tried is low dose antibiotics but it seems excessive to try that just to get rid of the white tongue. Any thoughts?
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