New "Mission" of RPF

abhi

@C-Mex Nope, its still like that And someone mentioned "Lifegivingstore" so i tried access it and got exactly same message as with RPF
Welp!

Peatful

@yerrag
I interacted with her.
Didn’t know her at all.
But vocationally - know a thousand like her.
Was my best read on her.

Did you reach out to the owner (Charlie) or admin (Blossom) or Tara herself when you suspected such things?
If so- what was their response?
If not- why not?

Edit: word

yerrag

@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about his mysterious death. Those that expressed suspicion on the RPF were drowned out, a year later 'Charlie' proclaiming he died of 'by his own sword'. How convenient to undermine and discredit when no one can know how many healthy years he may have added to his life or what predispositions he may have had, just like all of us.. And he didn't die young by any stretch, but still very mysterious.

I'm thinking confuse, divide and conquer. My only question is whether the forum was coopted later or was established by design. As we know -- although Peat rarely spoke of it -- he's been of interest to the powers that be since his establishment of Blake College.

Is there any truth to the rumour that his house was broken into and papers ruffled before he was interviewed by the guys filming On the Back of a Tiger? Then the film was never actually completed, just the raw footage released

I remember them joking in the footage that everybody they interviewed before Peat had passed away recently. They were old, yes, older than Peat, but still it was odd. More coincidences, and these ideas clearly threaten government in bed with an industry desperate to maintain authority and control the public "trusted" narrative, and their censorship tactics are now being exposed showing just how desperate they are.

Through Ray, many unrecognized or forgotten brilliant minds we came to know. He was able to dig back into the past to dedicated scientists and researchers whom our standard filtered education system had made mere footnotes, and whose ideas were buried under the weight of false history. He resurrected these ideas to our awareness and yet he kept abreast of modern discoveries as well, and thru his newsletters bridged the discoveries from across time. Which is why we who read his works can find some sense and coherence in a field of inquiry, health, and be able to spot the glaring flaws in the approaches of the white-robed priestly class known as conventional doctors.

Though no one has yet developed an alternate medical curriculum that would challenge establishment medicine, I believe that drawing a lot of material from Ray Peat's writings, a fresh approach to health can develop beyond the budding bossom of online health forums and eventually find a firmer foothold in the real world.

But it is something to be feared by the establishment. It is why I believe what we are seeing subtle efforts to nip this movement at the bud, though there is no formal one that exists, but the idea is powerful and one to be feared.

Post-COVID, they have lost a lot of credibility. Yet no "Occupy FDA" movement has emerged. Pieces have to be put together, but already some credible leaders have left in recent years - Gilbert Ling, Mae-Wan-Ho, Ray Peat, Patrick Timpone. Sure, they aren't the rabble-rousers that would be needed to begin upending the established order, but they are a stabilizing presence thst would help steer the ship.

I may be getting ahead here, but I think there is much hope and promise, which is why all manners of roadblocks are appearing.

For sure, there will be those among us here who will say that we're thinking too much.

We have quite a ways to go. Let us not be divided further.

Creuset

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Creuset

Are you saying this because you trust everyone and you leave your house doors and car doors unlocked? Either you live in the boondocks or you are too smart for your own good.

You seem to be assuming too many stuff and on defense mode man, relax, I was not talking about you but about Tara.

I will make it clearer since you didn't understand: Tara used to be a wise member, but when the covid craze hit, she got into full paranoia mode, probably because she is a nurse and everybody around her got afraid. Fear can be very contagious, and make smart people act stupid, especially for women who are usually more easily scared than men. I still remember perfectly when this pandemic hit, everyone around me was freaking out and completely irrational, so I'm not surprised at all that she would act this way.

Not saying that your hypothesis about her or Charlie are necessarily wrong by the way, even though I don't think the likelihood of this happening is high.

DavidPS

@yerrag “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”
― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

yerrag

@Creuset said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Creuset

Are you saying this because you trust everyone and you leave your house doors and car doors unlocked? Either you live in the boondocks or you are too smart for your own good.

You seem to be assuming too many stuff and on defense mode man, relax, I was not talking about you but about Tara.

I will make it clearer since you didn't understand: Tara used to be a wise member, but when the covid craze hit, she got into full paranoia mode, probably because she is a nurse and everybody around her got afraid. Fear can be very contagious, and make smart people act stupid, especially for women who are usually more easily scared than men. I still remember perfectly when this pandemic hit, everyone around me was freaking out and completely irrational, so I'm not surprised at all that she would act this way.

Not saying that your hypothesis about her or Charlie are necessarily wrong by the way, even though I don't think the likelihood of this happening is high.

Sorry for taking your words out of context. I couldn't see thru the forest here, thanks for clarifying. You make a good point about Tara. Being in the trenches would be traumatic, and her perception could have been affected greatly.

It's still hard to think she could be so rattled. My impression of here was that of someone who has a moderating demeanor, and not one to easily be influenced by noise around her. She was nice to be around, like a fixture at RPF.

yerrag

@DavidPS said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”
― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

Did Bond say this? In the book, or in the movie? Nice quote.

DavidPS

@yerrag - Here is the quote:
“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.”
― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

I do not remember if it was in the movie. Fleming was a navel intelligence officer and so he may not have originated the quote. But he certainly popularized it. On Youtube.

GreekDemiGod

Someone on RPF is putting his 2 year old child on a low VA diet.

Peatly

@DavidPS said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”
― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

Ian Fleming was a spy - a good read

Peatly

I am with you on this @yerrag I don’t believe any of this is coincidence or just stupidity. I believe there is a concerted effort to discredit Dr. Peat on all levels and to destroy the community that has been built up around the RPF.

yerrag

@DavidPS said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag - Here is the quote:
“Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action'.”
― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

I do not remember if it was in the movie. Fleming was a navel intelligence officer and so he may not have originated the quote. But he certainly popularized it. On Youtube.

I suppose this was referring to the women turning gold? Have to watch the movie again. Those were the days I would line up with my dad on opening day for a Bond movie, though I wasn't sure if I was old enough to watch Goldfinger.

It is definitely a suspicious timing. While Dr. Peat was alive, he flew under the radar, relatively speaking. Someone like Masterjohn might have mentioned him a few times, but otherwise there wasn't much talk about him in the mainstream.

Then he dies, and in the years after his death some big names suddenly jump on the bandwagon and discover "The Ray Peat Diet", while simultaneously controlling the narrative and pointing out his "flaws".

How many people read Ray Peat's articles and newsletters in the original? Who still has the mental capacity to do this? I read some time ago, which has nothing to do with the topic, that fewer and fewer people are watching entire basketball games and instead only individual highlights on youtube. If humanity doesn't even have the attention span to watch a fucking game anymore, who has the attention span to read Ray Peat? I suppose in the future (and present), people who find "Ray Peat" will get their information from people like Mercola, that Carnivore doc or - the worst option of all - raypeatforum.com. "Ray Peat" will then be about eating beans and how toxic milk and eggs are.

Way to go on destroying the legacy of a great man.

ThinPicking

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@risingfire

If you remember Tara at RPF, during the COVID Hoax years, she came to defend the COVID vax. Since I remember my start at RPF with Tara as embracing the side of Peat that favored a healthy lifestyle based primarily on good nutrition, I viewed her in a very positive light. That changed when her representation at the forum turned into a reverse mirrored image of her alter ego. I suspected her online self was hijacked, and not long after she no longer was a member, even thoufh at one time she served as an admin. The true Charlie was still firmly at the helm, and tara was gone - presumably banned.

The problem with being anonymous and hiding behind a handle is that it is not inconceivable that the powers that be could hijack the persona of the main admin, disposing of the original real person behind the persona. It isn't far-fetched to see this happen to Charlie's online persona.

As much as I've come to dislike the original owner of the Charlie online persona, I don't think he would have allowed RPF to sway from its original mission. I'm afraid that site has been hijacked recently, which would explain the inconceivable transpiring now at RPF. So much member posts and shared knowledge on bioenergetics and allied disciplines are stored there, and eradicating it is favorable to the powers that be. It would be a big loss if all of that treasure trove would simply be wiped out.

Am I alone in thinking a deeper conspiracy is at the heart of RPF's recent change in direction? If what I fear is true, what can be done by @brad in preventing a future RPF-style meltdown?

Interesting observations Mr Yerrag. To me it is consistent with his "prophecy" based worldview that he might repurpose an account to do that. Or someone he knows.

This kind of person tended not to write off Trump for his involvement in "project warp". For they see injury as self inflicted without nuance, and the "medicine" as a plus for dealing with the left hand of corporatism (apparently we're calling them "liberals" these days).

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/god-is-about-to-take-the-united-states-back-low-toxin-lifestyle-is-part-of-the-restoration.52684/page-4

Yerrag I'm curious, have you ever actually read the Talmud? I might give it a read. It probably contains some pieces of their puzzle. And these "prophecy" believers tend to act in a way that would bring it about.

DavidPS

@Peatly - Thanks for the book recommendation. Once a spy, always a spy.

Peatful

@Luke

Two quick things:

1- If Danny can stay “underground”.
He is a good one to articulate and stay true to Peat.
I say this as no Danny stan.
But I listened to some of his recent short content
And it was a breathe of fresh air.

Felt grateful. Felt Peatful….
Ha.

2-not hyperbole
I went to write a note to both of my girls today.
And ffs
It felt like I forgot to write!
To write?

My job
My life
All keyboard, smartphone etc

What a wake up call

Mulloch94

@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:

Yea... what the hell.

These people are in the green poo cult lmao. Notice how none of these people report "feeling good." Wasn't that like one of the issues he had with bioenergetics? Few people ever reporting success stories. Although I must say the ambiguity around the word success here troubles me.

Success of what? When someone says "Greetings, I have now achieved superior health and the optimal human form." then you know you're dealing with a nutjob, lol. Health can be hard to reclaim, even harder to maintain, and its something we all end up losing towards the end.

I remember he had some bullshit assessment that people should be living to 120, and if they don't, then you shouldn't be taking advice from them. Yeah, well, not only will Garrett or Charlie not live to be 120, I have my doubts that they'll ever see their 80s.

Linus Pauling, while far from perfect, would mega dose vitamin A daily and he lived to be like 93, lol. And I don't even think people should be mega dosing vitamin A, just making a point with regards to how stupid this toxin thing is.

Barghest

@Mulloch94 yeah they seemed to define success on the peat diet based on weight loss, and complained there is no pictures to prove success, not everyone is targeting the same issues. How do I take a picture of my mental health and autism related issues improving lmao. Improvements will look different for everone, for me gaining weight was an improvement because I came to peat as an anorexic, addressing the delusional thoughts and OCD typical of anorexia seems like a success to me, considering plenty never recover or continue to relapse repeatedly. Some people may be severely disabled so improvement won't be six pack abs, it will just be getting out of bed or having the mental energy to face daily life. But no green poop means we have all failed.

Creuset

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Creuset said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Creuset

Are you saying this because you trust everyone and you leave your house doors and car doors unlocked? Either you live in the boondocks or you are too smart for your own good.

You seem to be assuming too many stuff and on defense mode man, relax, I was not talking about you but about Tara.

I will make it clearer since you didn't understand: Tara used to be a wise member, but when the covid craze hit, she got into full paranoia mode, probably because she is a nurse and everybody around her got afraid. Fear can be very contagious, and make smart people act stupid, especially for women who are usually more easily scared than men. I still remember perfectly when this pandemic hit, everyone around me was freaking out and completely irrational, so I'm not surprised at all that she would act this way.

Not saying that your hypothesis about her or Charlie are necessarily wrong by the way, even though I don't think the likelihood of this happening is high.

Sorry for taking your words out of context. I couldn't see thru the forest here, thanks for clarifying. You make a good point about Tara. Being in the trenches would be traumatic, and her perception could have been affected greatly.

It's still hard to think she could be so rattled. My impression of here was that of someone who has a moderating demeanor, and not one to easily be influenced by noise around her. She was nice to be around, like a fixture at RPF.

No offense taken, thank you for your respectful reply.

I know what you mean about Tara, I was also very surprised by how she reacted. However I've observed intelligent and wise people snap under specific circumstances already, so wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened to her.

@abhi said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@C-Mex Nope, its still like that And someone mentioned "Lifegivingstore" so i tried access it and got exactly same message as with RPF
Welp!

So if I understand correctly, people here reporting still being blocked are all from Russian IP addresses? I do find this interesting from a political angle as they are still trying to perpetuate various versions of the Russian hoax (accuse of 'disinformation', etc.) here in the US. I'm sure it's just another coincidence...

I wouldn't worry about reading the mess that the RPF has become today, but i understand your concern for older content. Luckily some people have made backups -- I do hope they'll be offering access freely and easily in the generous spirit of Ray Peat.