Posts made by Crypt Keeper

Want the effects of DHT-e? Simply take plain DHT 4-5x a day.

I still can't get a good explanation for what good effect people think exogeneous DHT has. A large, large portion of it is converted into estrogens 3α-androstanediol and 3β-androstanediol, which bind to both ERα and ERβ, to the latter with better affinity, and does not bind to androgen receptors. The enzymes that convert DHT to these hormones are 3α-HSD and 3β-HSD and are abundant in the liver, skin, muscle and brain and are metabolizing all of that DHT you're putting into your blood. In the brain, 3α-androstanediol is responsible for the pro-GABA effects and 3β-androstanediol for the anxiolytic effects and also the regulation of hormone production through (the suppression of) the HPTA.

If you want DHT's effects in the muscle you need to take something artificial that can't be 3β-HSD reduced, like anavar.

Otherwise, with DHT being a paracrine hormone in tissues where it has an important effect, it seems better to supplement with the pro-hormone (T) and support 5α-reductase production.

@alfredoolivas I've tried the following:

• 50mg DHT / ml DMSO
• 100mg T / ml DMSO
• 100mg T / ml 95% alcohol

Both DMSO solutions leave visible crystals / white residue on the skin after drying. The alcohol solution didn't have any visible crystals on the skin after drying, but there is residue on my dark-colored undershirt.

In all cases the solutions were completely clear (no crystals) in the dropper bottle, so I think they're being dissolved well.

Looks like 70% alcohol + 30% IPM doesn't allow for T to penetrate the skin in my case. Same as DMSO. It also dries incredibly fast (within seconds). I could try throwing some MCT oil in there to prevent the quick drying but I doubt it would make a difference for penetration.

I've finally gotten around to trying T in 95% alcohol + IPM. Started with 50mg T. I'll check in later if I notice anything.

Only thing different so far vs. DMSO is that I don't notice any crystals on my skin after drying, and of course none of the nasty DMSO smell. So I think that's a good start.

@Kilgore I could not get T to dissolve in a reasonable amount of Vit E. It's just not a good solvent alone. There's a thread somewhere that I posted in awhile ago.

BTW, Santosh was one of the pioneers of these various PPL test powders in transdermal form and one of the last posts he made before he went radio silent was to stay away from DHT stuff as it nukes estrogen too much. Just putting it out there.

@Uncover I've seen many of those reviews you're talking about. It's hard to know what's real and what is just their competitors making stuff up to make them look bad in a cut-throat industry. Truth is, PPL could easily ship bunk for an allotted percentage of their sales knowing that their customers have absolutely no recourse other than to write nasty reviews that they will call fake. Still, at least some of their product has to be legit or they wouldn't have any repeat customers from those testing with Janoshik, etc.

FWIW I have their T and DHT micronized powders and experienced absolutely nothing noticeable despite various methods of administration and dosages. I actually don't think this is very surprising though because I hardly notice any products I take (nootropics, etc.) and even real things like SARMs and pro-hormones are only subtle to me after several days of usage. But some here will take some of the T powder orally or transdermally and say they "feel" immediate effects. In my situation I don't think much of it made it into my system intact.

Did you get any bloodwork while taking DHT? I'm curious about the effectiveness of each of the routes of administration but never got around to doing any tests myself.

@JamesL said in DHT source?:

@Crypt-Keeper but isn't Stanolone something different?

As far as I know, that's just another name for DHT. It's what people were buying when talking about getting DHT from PPL.

@JamesL https://www.purplepandalabs.io/goods?code=200908100105550

@Sugarnotsnow Yep, that's the one I got.

@Sugarnotsnow I got mine from Purple Panda Labs. I can't vouch for its purity because I didn't have it tested and I felt literally nothing from it when I took it orally and transdermally. Same with their DHT powder.

@Sugarnotsnow said in Share your T levels:

@Crypt-Keeper What do you typically eat now?

I'm still eating a 100% junk food diet.

I was typically testing between 800 and 1200 ng/dL but that was on a complete junk food garbage diet. I haven't had it tested in years so I'm not sure where I'm at now.

The esters are for making injections. If you're looking to do oral or transdermal, you'll want to get raw micronized testosterone.

Just looking at that chart that lists the effects of GABA I can't imagine why anybody would want that as a default state. Literally the Prince Valium phenotype.

Give me the opposite of that.

@wester130 Probably because T and especially E2 were reduced by DHT:

DHT treatment increased serum DHT with complete suppression of serum T, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, and estradiol throughout the 24-month study resulting in reduced spinal bone density.

Sounds like 70mg transdermal DHT daily is bad for your health.

Why would anybody get their theology from charlie? Like who is he?

@Bye4ever said in DHT with test?:

I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.

Other than the libido situation, how did you feel on those estrogen blockers?