Experiments with transdermal hormones
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@wester130 With DHT you dont "feel" anything immediate, it is afterwards that you notice things like improved cognition, calmness, decrease in libido, ability to think clearly, decreased aggression, more outgoing, and generally ape mode, in the sense that you dgaf and eg. can overtake cars easily (Landshark talked about this). At least thats my experience with it
Imo most, if not all of the benefits of T are from the conversion to DHT. The reason that ppl feel T when taking it, is likely from some aromatization thats happening which causes a mild excitatory effect, but is accompanied with T and DHT so it's balanced. DHT lacks that effect as it's non-aromatizable.
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@wester130 With DHT in DMSO my estrogen gets to very low levels, so my libido, mood etc is tanked. I did not liked it at all. Transdermal test is much better since its boost test, estrogen and DHT all at once.
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W wester130 referenced this topic on
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fascinating article about dht
should we take this instead?
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@pannacottas thanks
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I have created a solution of
25mg Tren
25mg Test
5mg Progesterone
5mg DHEA
5mg ExemestanePer ml
I used DMSO & Coconut Oil in about a 90:10 ratio. This is mostly to stop the stinging/skin irritation from pure DMSO. They don't mix great so you need to shake before use. I would have preferred to use Vitamin E if I had on hand.
It is working great so far. Definitely a lot stronger than my higher T experiments in the past.
I have noticed zero sides from the Tren.
It has been about 4 weeks
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I have
vitamin e tocopherol oil
ethyl alcohol
base micronized test powder in my hand.can anyone help me with the recipe of how I can make a transdermal cream out of these?
should I try to get isopropyl myristate as well?
thank you!!
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@metabolicmilk sounds interesting
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@yeyo12 using those ingredients I would do
20% IPM
50% alcohol
30% Vitamin EAre you opposed to DMSO?
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thank you
I have to get some IPMuhh, I've never really tried DMSO myself, but I've seen a lot of users have problem with it and I don't really want to smell -if it does that-
Does it make you smell like garlic?
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@yeyo12 there was a post on old rpf about how using honey removes the smell. If you want a DMSO formula Id use 70 DMSO : 20 Vit E : 10 honey
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@metabolicmilk
What is your goal with this?Which testosterone & DHT bases are good for topical application? (fromPPL)
Also whats the Exemestane for?
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@metabolicmilk what other results are you getting?
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@Kilgore anti E
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@wester130 grow bigger while losing fat. It's working.i feel like my bones are growing
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I put DHT GEL on my Nether-Regions: Insane EQ, Painful B*ners, Masculinity, and SIDE EFFECTS
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@metabolicmilk I agree it can have strong health effects. Its interesting how some people here are wondering why so many are interested in DHT here. It has some of the most potent anti stress effects a molecule can have and literally is produced in healthy men. When one gets into a stressfull state testosterone will slowly decline in comparison to DHT which plummits. Its extremely anti estrogenic, pro gaba, anti adrenaline, anti cortisol, anti inflammatory. I think the people who didnt notice anything either needs to improve their health situation abit more first, or wasnt eating nearly enough. I would consume 6-7k calories when I was top health and was completely shredded. In this state my natural test was higher than avarage but my dht was extremely high. Later I started also adding 11-keto dht and androsterone and saw even more benefits. After alot of stress and lack of good food for 1.5 year the thing that helps me recover to my old state faster is not only good food, but also hormones...
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What do you guys think about a solution like this?
30mg T
5mg DHT
5mg DHEA
5mg Progesteroneper 1ml Vitamin E.
What about adding pregnenolone?
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@Kilgore I could not get T to dissolve in a reasonable amount of Vit E. It's just not a good solvent alone. There's a thread somewhere that I posted in awhile ago.
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@Kilgore That's a good plan, I would take it orally though, not transdermally. The biggest issue I faced with creating a vitamin E steroid solution, was finding the right vitamin E solvent; 1.) Many Vitamin E / Tocopherol oils, are either alpha or mixed tocopherols diluted heavily with a seed oil like sunflower oil or wheat germ oil. 2.) Some are sold as "vitamin E oil / tocopherol oil" but are actually only wheat germ oil, due to it's high vitamin e content.
Both alpha and mixed tocopherol work equally as well, according to haidut via email.
I use https://www.mysticmomentsuk.com/products/vitamin-e-natural-vitamins?variant=2738367922200
It's 70% mixed tocopherols and 30% sunflower oil, which of course isn't perfect, but the sunflower oil consumed is minimal. It's the best value source of high-concentration vitamin E oil I could find in europe/UK, despite it using more expesnive mixed tocopherols. I couldn't find affordable alpha tocopherol oils in Europe, and this mixed tocopherol product is more concentrated and cheaper than any tocopherol oil I could find on iHerb. -
@Crypt-Keeper I can personally make a progesterone and DHEA vitamin E solution, where I can dissolve 150mg of each into 1ml of vitamin E. So that's a 30% solution of DHEA and progesterone dissolved in vitamin E.
I pre heat the tocopherol first in the microwave to a high temperature, and then throw in the powders, swirl them vigorously, and put it back in the microwave, and warm the solution, and swirl it again vigorously. I then inspect the oil by shining a light through the bottom of the jar I brew the solution in, and I can see little to no undissolved hormone.
I failed to make a pregnenolone solution with vitamin E at first; but I found out that the trick to making steroid solutions whether that be in vitamin E, or benzyl benzoate with steroid esters, is to pre heat the solution well before adding the hormones in.
