Posts made by Jakeandpace

Good find

I’m aware it is often best to try get your nutrition from food but at the same time modern problems require modern solutions. Obviously I drink for the caffeine as well.

I’ve been drinking a lot of Red bull recently but I think it might have too much of certain B vitamins like pantothenic acid and b6.

Here’s the vitamins:

5.6mg of b6
25mg of b3
4mg of b5
5.1ug of b12
0.27 mg of b2

Does anyone here drink energy drinks and have positive results? I recall I used to drink monster when I was younger and feel pretty good and I don’t get the same kind of feeling with redbull.

@yerrag

Yea I'd agree with most of what you said. Ray wrote in an early article of his as a rebuttal to someone speaking of VA toxicity that cultures that tend to eat the liver also tend to eat the thyroid.

I know Danny Roddy still takes thyroid despite years of Peating and I'd say that the two work best together, that being liver and thyroid. And you can chuck the oysters in there as well (in fact you probably should).

@yerrag said in What defines the 'bile dump' the Charlie forum always talks about?:

Until they do, they have no business blaming vitamin A for this putative toxic state when all along they leave the door open to be hypothyroid enough to make themselves unable to properly and normally metabolize vitamin A.

This is why I think this prescription that people hand out that "everyone must eat liver to be healthy" is dangerous. I don't think you do this, in fact I've got no idea but it's an ever increasing trend that leaves those in a compromised health state to become even more compromised. I think generalising that liver is good for someone can be dangerous because the person will often times only look surface level and start eating liver without considering other factors that if they are lacking in could cause the extra vitamin A to do damage. Most people don't have the money, time, and mental bandwidth to make these kind of inclusions into their life and will end up doing more harm than good. Like for myself I simply don't know how to use thyroid properly and would need to do a lot of reading to learn. In the meantime I won't be eating liver until I learn and I wouldn't suggest anyone else to.

In an ideal society we shouldn't even have to think about diet too much and having to balance this with that and micromanage everything. It is nice to know but these concepts should all be baked into the cuisine, culture and science. If only it were congruent and not so disjointed. This is going off topic but I wrote a post in my own thread about how religion and traditions maintain a good diet, like how catholics eat certain foods on certain days and I believe the jewish have a liver dish. Ideally diet should be in the background and not the foreground and doctors would be well versed on how to properly diagnose hypothyroidism if it even came to that.

https://www.jlr.org/article/S0022-2275(20)36724-9/pdf

Back on topic though I find it interesting that at higher doses Retinol actually suppresses the release of RBP and at a more therapeutic dose increase it. But then again if you constantly increasing your RBP and not getting enough zinc you will run into problems, thus start the vicious cycle. This is probably why Ray recommends the oysters.

And if you don't get enough vitamin A then your liver will not release all that pent up RBP, so it really is a balancing act.

@yerrag

My eyesight had also improved eating liver but also oysters as well. It also improved my maxilla growth. Liver unfortunately made my hair thin at an accelerated rate and caused a pretty bad mental state that felt like losing memory and processing power. I’ve been severely depressed before and this felt somehow worse, like I wasn’t even present most of the time. This kind of led me to where I am. I noticed changes in a family member as well which seemed similar to mine.

I’m glad you have such great reactions to liver but I think it’s dangerous when people homogenise a diet or a food to say it’s good for everyone in any circumstance without discussing possible downsides which are present with foods like liver. I agree in a lot of cases it can be great but as evidence of this whole movement of Low A people it clearly isn’t all great all the time.

Here is a good paper on retinol toxicity that informed a lot of what I’ve been saying. I’ve also been influenced by Travis if you couldn’t tell.

https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)29271-0/fulltext

@yerrag

(RBP) Retinol binding protein.

And when liver is magnitudes higher than any other food in vitamin A I would say it is akin to taking a vitamin A supplement. Most foods are usually high in one specific vitamin making them unique, eggs (choline), oranges (vitamin C). Just because something is a whole food doesn’t mean it can’t cause problems due to one factor of it. Take oxalates, take PUFA’s from nuts, take iron from red meat.

*edit

I should say I’m not saying beta-carotene is better and one should eat primarily beta-carotene. I am saying that it is more regulated and that a mixture of adequate retinol from say eggs or milk (or even small amounts of liver but even then it’s risky) combined with adequate carotene from plant sources should provide enough VA in a more controlled and safer way than eating 4 oz of liver weekly which will cause an increase in retinol esters and dis regulation of normal functioning of RBP.

@GreekDemiGod

I have had problems with liver, which is basically a retinol supplement. I’ve read that retinol itself can have actually a negative correlation with RBP if the dose is exceeded by a certain capacity. VA overload or toxicity is more aptly identified by increased retinol esters in the blood as opposed to increased RBP and infact an increased RBP is associated with better thyroid function.

There are studies showing VA supplementation and zinc supplementation increase the circulating RBP but I believe this is only acute when looking at the vitamin A as we also have studies showing an increase in Retinol esters and decrease in RBP. So I suspect that bigger doses should only be taken occasionally or never at all.

You want your RBP to be steady. I don’t believe big doses of liver should be consumed, smaller doses close to that upper limit where your body isn’t overloaded are probably best for increasing RBP and not getting those negative effects of increased retinol esters.

Carotenoids are also a highly regulated form of VA which the late travis felt strongly about compared to retinol. One might prefer them because of they are much more regulated.

I think it’s usually best to opt for the most regulated. I can find these studies Im speaking of if anyone is interested

My main concern is heavy metals. If anyone knows a reliable brand I could use daily then that would be great. I suspect the one I’m using isn’t optimal.

There’s many things that could be going on. B5 has been known to cause hairloss at higher doses. I’ve tried it out and got the same effects of derealisation which wasn’t fun.

Only a few b vitamins have had positive short term effects for me. Namely Niacinamide and thiamine. Although they only felt good at lower doses and if I sustained it for more than a few days then I’d feel weird mentally.

In terms of exercise I am now focussing on more playful forms. That being sports. Most sports involve some form of explosive activity rather than endurance.

I’m playing soccer/football and do Muay Thai, although they are quite exhaustive sometimes my appetite has skyrocketed and I feel a lot better not carrying around so much extra musculature in the upper body.

Sports are also good because they integrate you in your local environment. Instead of the deranged sort of Sigma gym goer loner archetype that gets so heavily promoted, performing in a local arena builds bonds and creates a greater sense of purpose.

Brute de force speaks on this, we must have an outlet to perform that earns you accolades. I would consider sport an important and easy outlet that most people have access to. You can exert yourself physically and stylistically as a form of expression.

@RawGoatMilk88

Yes so I’ve heard with A2. Unfortunately that isn’t widely available in my country but thanks for the tips. I have a source for a non-homogenised milk I may start getting but I’m starting to think milk of any kind is a net benefit when drank at the correct time and not totally haphazardly.

@RawGoatMilk88

This wasn’t really what I was asking but I know what you’re getting at. “Processed milk isn’t ancestrally consistent and raw milk is”

My question is, can one get away with drinking processed milk (homogenised) and not have to deal with these autoantibodies that form in response.

I’m guessing the answer is better digestion but how can this be ensured? Or perhaps less frequent milk intake.

Bump. I wanna know if I can have my dairy. If I can have my cake and eat it.

@GreekDemiGod

I believe it’s the oxidised cholesterol and yea elevated cholesterol with a lot of oxidative stress is probably a bad thing but Ray often says how cholesterol is protective.

What is this supposed to prove? I don’t think Danny disagrees that NO will regrow hair and has done videos on the fact. He has revised a lot of his work from hair like a fox.

He just tends to think that it is a more dangerous way of doing it and that there are better more ‘bioenergetic’ or ‘protective’ methods.

I have seen someone say and I can’t remember who that there are protective ways in which NO is formed and then more inflammatory ways but I can’t recall where.

@castle

They all tend to take hgh as well I think which can’t be good

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-travis-corner.21611/post-348137

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-travis-corner.21611/post-359278

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-travis-corner.21611/post-356171

Although this may be nothing new for a lot of people it is for me and I’d like to hear perspectives.

Travis liked to hammer this point home pretty consistently. He suggests that milk homogenisation aids in the per-sorption of undigested proteins causing an immune reaction and thus auto-antibodies to the folate receptor.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10759136/?i=4&from=/22369260/related

«  Relatively new data on actual concentrations in different dairy products show folate-binding proteins (FBP) to occur in unprocessed milk, but also in pasteurised milk, spray-dried skim milk powder and whey. In contrast, UHT milk, fermented milk and most cheeses only contain low levels or trace amounts. »

He mentions goat dairy and maybe even non homogenised bovine dairy. This study suggests UHT milk may be better but to my understanding it may still provoke an immune reaction. I also understand that supplementing folate may be another solution but it feels like more of a band aid. Others have suggested that more robust rigorous digestion may be the solution and sluggish digestion is the real problem.

I digest goat dairy extremely well but I think the retinol concentration may be to high for me as I also get altered mental state consistently when I have too much and slight thinning of the hair. Similar to when I have had to much liver in the past.

Any suggestions by someone who has researched the topic would be appreciated. Given I have a history of anxiety that was pretty extreme at times and stomach issues I think this issue could apply to me.

Is there anyway to get around the serotonin symptoms of eggs?

I also think it lowers my blood sugar significantly.

I can't seem to have them in the morning because they make me incredibly tired.

It’s crazy.

After one slice of commercial bread I already feel the effects of the soy flour and protein they put in it. It’s insane to me that I could only find one bread product that wasn’t contaminated with soy or seeds and even then that product was fortified with iron.

I know a place that I think does safe bread but it never ceases to amaze me just how horribly bad the food supply is.

@Bling5

Yes me too, it seems to make my skin and hair shine

Yea probably. I don't think there is a whole lot wrong with this sort of diet. Problem is all of the additives, fortification and pesticides in food staples. There does seem to be some societal shift towards healthier versions of these foods that I hope takes hold in some sort of government policy, even RFK was talking about the dangers of seed oils recently.