Posts made by Jakeandpace

@gg12

Been there, Mike Fave has some good content about controlling blood sugar as well as Chris master John and their both peat influenced. Also I’d go to the doctor if you’re seriously concerned.

@Corngold

Combats most of the inflammatory effects. Read this article by the man himself

@Corngold

If you’re talking about garlic possibly yes it might help with absorption of B1.

@dapose said in B complex:

Do you think high Biotin is going to through things out of whack? Sometimes I take 5mg b7 in case I have some mitochondria not working properly. ( I definitely have some damaged Mito’s!)
Peace!

I think biotin can cause problems if you’re not careful. Always be paying attention to your bodies reaction

https://youtu.be/uiEf9TydOQA?si=q_rzGP5CkLdgC0NS

@Corngold said in B complex:

@Jakeandpace

No. I've heard people say B12 or B6, or B complex can really help, and this was years ago, but I've never taken vitamins or B complex.

Is allithiamine in garlic not the same thing as thiamine? I eat lots of garlic but not sure if the B vitamins are very high in it.
I want to get vitamins only through food. It appears to me that most manufactured vitamins and supplements are tainted or poor quality. I understand there are arguments for trying to boost these vitamins temporarily. I'm also thinking I could be deficient in B vitamins because I don't eat as much fruit / citrus as I could.

Yea allthiamine is the fat soluble version of thiamine

Anyone take a b complex or have any good ones that they have noticed benefit from? In theory it seems like a good idea but like I’m not so sure it is. Just some anecdotes would be fine

@SpaceManJim

It's behind a paywall on his substack but I will share a short quote on it and hopefully I don't get banned from it for sharing.

"This is consistent with my hypothesis that B6 neuropathy is due to increasing transamination, with bottlenecks in CoA-requiring pathways leading to CoA sequestration, which can be aggravated by increasing the substrates that enter the bottlenecked pathway, relieved by cofactors that lead to the release of CoA, and relieved by adding B5 to help make new CoA."

That's his claim. He says in his own self experimentation he used P5P and this caused tingling extremities but also better dreams which he liked. He included zinc and this made things worse (but also better as his dreams were better) and concluded it was a bottleneck in energy metabolism. He included b5 and at varying doses and it solved his problem by the sounds of it.

"I have stayed on 75 mg of B6 and 500 milligrams of B5 for months because it is helping my sleep."

of course if you read the full article he provides in depth explanation for this. I really like his ideas on the bottlenecks in energy metabolism as I experienced similar things to him taking biotin in excess.

@Milk-Destroyer

Not for me. Considering the niacin is in the form of Niacinamide it wouldn’t make sense for it to be that so probably something else in it.

I’m making a more general enquiry I suppose about b vitamins and their effects (sometimes negative when in excess)

Edit* sorry I just saw the rest of the post, it could have been the citric acid your right. Glad your psoriasis cleared. Do you drink any form of caffeine or take any supplements as of now?

Anyone know why I get odd symptoms from energy red bull and not coffee? I think it must be the b vitamins, they make me feel uneasy whereas coffee does not. This happens even if I take the red bull with food. It does however definetly give a massive boost in dopamine feeling which I think is from the b6 and a reduction in acne with I think is from the pantothenic acid.

I think it’s causing my blood sugar to spike and then drop dramatically, it might be the Niacinamide. I just took a b complex and had a similar reaction. Not sure the b12 is too helpful but I suspect it is probably either a net positive or neutral because I think I was deficient.

Coffee causes an increase in acne but less oily skin. Red bull results in less acne but more oily skin noticeable on my hands???

I think it’s causing me blood sugar issues almost like diabetes, I get blurry vision in the mornings which is reduced to almost none from coffee drinking compared to energy drinks.

Really enjoyed the benefits of energy drinks but the downsides outweigh them in my opinion so I’m probably gonna quit. I may try the b complex with food and see if it makes a difference. I’ve experimented with Niacinamide, thiamine, riboflavin, pantothenic acid and biotin in isolation and Niacinamide and biotin seem to cause the blood sugar problems and maybe even pantothenic acid. A more tailored approach may be necessary, or maybe I was lacking thiamin and riboflavin to balance the other B’s in redbull.
Was gonna post on my log thread but this is my thread as well and I think it relates so here it is.

For now, drink coffee, have fun and don’t get to attached to ideology of nutrition. It’s all a big balancing game, you don’t want to fuck your body up at your age. Keep reading and do minimal experimentation, if something isn’t working stop doing it.

Only advice is eat more (try make it whole foods, this is important), drink some coffee, do some exercise that isn’t too exhaustive and have fun. Please do not stress too much about your body at this age, that would be the most unhealthy thing to do.

I like Chris master John’s explanation for b6 toxicity.

I found it quit dopaminergic the first time

@GreekDemiGod If you bring an icepack for your balls the problem is avoidable. Still a problem nonetheless for those not doing so

I suspect like most things that it is healthy up to a certain point. As long as you don't bleed into fat metabolism when doing sauna it is probably very beneficial. I wouldn't use it as a substitute for moderate exercise though but rather an adjunct to it.

200g is probably excessive. Eat your broccoli but just don’t have too much.

Good find

I’m aware it is often best to try get your nutrition from food but at the same time modern problems require modern solutions. Obviously I drink for the caffeine as well.

I’ve been drinking a lot of Red bull recently but I think it might have too much of certain B vitamins like pantothenic acid and b6.

Here’s the vitamins:

5.6mg of b6
25mg of b3
4mg of b5
5.1ug of b12
0.27 mg of b2

Does anyone here drink energy drinks and have positive results? I recall I used to drink monster when I was younger and feel pretty good and I don’t get the same kind of feeling with redbull.

@yerrag

Yea I'd agree with most of what you said. Ray wrote in an early article of his as a rebuttal to someone speaking of VA toxicity that cultures that tend to eat the liver also tend to eat the thyroid.

I know Danny Roddy still takes thyroid despite years of Peating and I'd say that the two work best together, that being liver and thyroid. And you can chuck the oysters in there as well (in fact you probably should).

@yerrag said in What defines the 'bile dump' the Charlie forum always talks about?:

Until they do, they have no business blaming vitamin A for this putative toxic state when all along they leave the door open to be hypothyroid enough to make themselves unable to properly and normally metabolize vitamin A.

This is why I think this prescription that people hand out that "everyone must eat liver to be healthy" is dangerous. I don't think you do this, in fact I've got no idea but it's an ever increasing trend that leaves those in a compromised health state to become even more compromised. I think generalising that liver is good for someone can be dangerous because the person will often times only look surface level and start eating liver without considering other factors that if they are lacking in could cause the extra vitamin A to do damage. Most people don't have the money, time, and mental bandwidth to make these kind of inclusions into their life and will end up doing more harm than good. Like for myself I simply don't know how to use thyroid properly and would need to do a lot of reading to learn. In the meantime I won't be eating liver until I learn and I wouldn't suggest anyone else to.

In an ideal society we shouldn't even have to think about diet too much and having to balance this with that and micromanage everything. It is nice to know but these concepts should all be baked into the cuisine, culture and science. If only it were congruent and not so disjointed. This is going off topic but I wrote a post in my own thread about how religion and traditions maintain a good diet, like how catholics eat certain foods on certain days and I believe the jewish have a liver dish. Ideally diet should be in the background and not the foreground and doctors would be well versed on how to properly diagnose hypothyroidism if it even came to that.

https://www.jlr.org/article/S0022-2275(20)36724-9/pdf

Back on topic though I find it interesting that at higher doses Retinol actually suppresses the release of RBP and at a more therapeutic dose increase it. But then again if you constantly increasing your RBP and not getting enough zinc you will run into problems, thus start the vicious cycle. This is probably why Ray recommends the oysters.

And if you don't get enough vitamin A then your liver will not release all that pent up RBP, so it really is a balancing act.

@yerrag

My eyesight had also improved eating liver but also oysters as well. It also improved my maxilla growth. Liver unfortunately made my hair thin at an accelerated rate and caused a pretty bad mental state that felt like losing memory and processing power. I’ve been severely depressed before and this felt somehow worse, like I wasn’t even present most of the time. This kind of led me to where I am. I noticed changes in a family member as well which seemed similar to mine.

I’m glad you have such great reactions to liver but I think it’s dangerous when people homogenise a diet or a food to say it’s good for everyone in any circumstance without discussing possible downsides which are present with foods like liver. I agree in a lot of cases it can be great but as evidence of this whole movement of Low A people it clearly isn’t all great all the time.

Here is a good paper on retinol toxicity that informed a lot of what I’ve been saying. I’ve also been influenced by Travis if you couldn’t tell.

https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)29271-0/fulltext

@yerrag

(RBP) Retinol binding protein.

And when liver is magnitudes higher than any other food in vitamin A I would say it is akin to taking a vitamin A supplement. Most foods are usually high in one specific vitamin making them unique, eggs (choline), oranges (vitamin C). Just because something is a whole food doesn’t mean it can’t cause problems due to one factor of it. Take oxalates, take PUFA’s from nuts, take iron from red meat.

*edit

I should say I’m not saying beta-carotene is better and one should eat primarily beta-carotene. I am saying that it is more regulated and that a mixture of adequate retinol from say eggs or milk (or even small amounts of liver but even then it’s risky) combined with adequate carotene from plant sources should provide enough VA in a more controlled and safer way than eating 4 oz of liver weekly which will cause an increase in retinol esters and dis regulation of normal functioning of RBP.