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Could be the dietary acid load of meat causing you to feel disgusted by the thought of eating it especially after consuming kilos per day, this has happened to me in the past. Grains in excess can have a high dietary acid load as well, so if you are combining the two in high amounts without sufficiently offsetting it then its only a matter of time before you get disgusted by the thought of eating more of it.

Try some shrimp or chicken wings cooked in coconut oil to give you a break from red meat, see if you feel better on those. If you are having rice try replacing it with red skin potatoes as well. More importantly, instead of having kilos of meat per day, drop down to 113g/4oz max per meal for a while.

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in Intermittent fasting has no benefits, ups risk of dying from heart disease:

An interesting post. Fasting has taken our society by storm. It feels like everyone is fasting these days. I have to say that intermittent fasting helps in one way, it is indeed easier to consume fewer calories that way. This is though not something most people should be doing. Fasting also shows how insanely disciplined a large section of the public is regarding their health. I know obese people who are willing to starve themselves for days, which is crazy if you think about it. Imagine the headway such disciplined people would get if they embraced Peat's ideas instead of going into starvation mode.

What a blessing that what works is the opposite of the "no pain, no gain" mentality. I am indulging in the best sugary and dairy food conceivable and my health just keeps sweetening. It should be a huge white pill that Peatism is working so well for us because it should be an easy sell to the public once the fasting and keto diets have been exhausted by the public. By 2050 everyone who cares about their health will be Peating, and things will get dramatically better. Future generations will be thriving and have much bigger bodies and heads than us, and have better energy levels with slimmer waists and fewer health problems. Peatism will turn the tide and we have already started the ascend. Just think back to a few years ago and tell yourself how much better you feel and are today. Just imagine the consequences when Peating becomes the norm for society at large.

Good post, almost any community I am in whether IRL or online there is the pervasive belief that fasting is the best ticket to health and every person ought to be a practitioner of fasting for the purported health benefits.

I genuinely feel bad for any younger fella out there. The self-improvement industrial complex will tell them they need to fast, they need to do MORE, no time to rest, no time to eat, ignore your own needs, blah blah blah. All of these recommendations are rooted in a deranged scarcity mindset where the self-help industrial complex thinks that by telling a young fella "in the future you will have to fight to the death for a scrap of foodmeal so you better start running 3x a day instead of 2x!" it will spring them into action and it will magically "unfuck their life" or whatever other terminology the stress-hormone peddlers say.

Quite the opposite. People wonder why so many young fellas are completely bald before even the age of 25, well its no wonder. I call them "generation stress-hormone".

On the topic of fasting as a diet modality, the amount of people who I know IRL that are self proclaimed IF practitioners that I have seen eating during their fasting window is staggering, so not only is their diet modality inherently stress promoting, its causing failures in adherence which is probably psychologically harmful (assuming many of these fellas have succumbed to the self-help industrial complex where they would blame themselves for 'not being disciplined enough').

@Peatly “Gelatin in Nutrition and Medicine” by N.R. Gotthoffer I believe is the gelatin book from the 40s. It is short but worth reading if you can get your hands on a copy, there is a ton of useful information about diabetes, digestion, etc and how gelatin benefits these.

@Buckian this has been my experience. doing it early in the day feels great but if i run a red light machine for too long at night time i absolutely notice a stress response and hypoglycemia symptoms. oddly enough i noticed this happen last night after using red light for a long time before bed and haidut already has a study posted today explaining why. very useful.

running the red light machine early in the day near/around my first or second meal feels the best.

they are a good source of vitamin e, not many other sources that aren't pufa-laden (cranberry juice and red/yellow bell peppers are the other sources that come to mind).

if you stick to a high quality organic tomato puree or paste you will be avoiding the seeds, you can of course make and strain your own using whichever choice of tomato you prefer but it's easy enough to find high quality versions of this product off the shelf.

the skin and seeds are the most likely parts of the tomato to give you issues, so if you can avoid those you will probably do fine with it. on the other board it seemed many people outright claimed all nightshades (esp tomato) were "poison" but in terms of what peat said, going by memory he implicated the seeds in tomatoes as being potentially serotonergic for people who are susceptible and the skins of nightshades potentially being a problem for some as well due to the cellulose iirc.

i personally did fantastic with red, yellow, and orange bell peppers and used those instead of tomatoes. easy enough to remove all the seeds from them as well.

amazing results, congratulations. the fact that you have maintained muscularity while switching to gelatin as your only protein source is great. the loss of strength in the gym is probably more due to eliminating starch more so than anything else, but maintaining or improving muscularity and body comp is a big win, not to mention solving the prior health issues.

i'm not sure what you can do in terms of rounding out your protein intake with complete sources if dairy, meat, and eggs are problematic. peat has spoken favorably of certain foods outside of these 3 varieties having really good quality protein like potatoes but throwing in 2 pounds of potatoes (peat said this is similar to around 1l of milk in terms of protein amount so about 35g) is probably less ideal than your current scheme which seems to be having a small amount of beef for dinner on occasion.

with that said, i think you have the correct idea with how you might use a little bit of beef for dinner, i might recommend experimenting with different cuts to see which ones are more agreeable or less likely to cause issues. i've done remarkably well in the past by using a high quality mince beef while dealing with autoimmune type issues, it's not the worst cut as there is a fair bit of connective tissue in there, but you might be well to experiment with some more gelatinous cuts like lamb shank. you can also make a gelatinous stew using oxtail but i never tried the stuff myself.

when was the last time you cleaned its insides? mold and yeast can occur in the internals of drip coffee makers. you can add white vinegar + water to the reservoir and run that through a brew cycle to sanitize the insides of the machine, then run a couple more cycles with just water to remove the residual garbage + vinegar solution.

many drip makers don't get hot enough for an ideal brew so that could be throwing something off as well.

@ilovethesea great post, thanks for providing that context, i believe it is quite important in this story. i have alluded to matt stone being the canary in the coalmine for when a particular gimmick is going to make the rounds for the neurotic diet hoppers.

i saw on the old board that admin had posted a thread "matt stone believes vA was the cause of his problems" or something like that as if this was a point of pride for the validity of low vA.....i suppose this strategy is effective insofar as no one looks up what matt stone looks like recently.

i find the fact that he admitted his older ideas may have lead to his poor state of health but still has the books for sale to be particularly disgusting but i suppose anything to finance a lifestyle that doesn't involve leaving his couch is fair game.

not a good look and frankly all of these people deserve each other. all peas in the same pod indeed.

it works exceptionally well for studying and retention, it is essentially all i utilize as a full-time engineering student to ensure my time spent studying is productive.

i will drink coffee throughout the morning / early afternoon then i will use 50mg allithiamine when its time to start reading. if im still going after several hours i will take another dose.

i find it is important to have a steady supply of glucose during this block, i don't like snacking / grazing so what i will do is increase the frequency of my meals during this block, and maybe within this block a couple times i will have servings of fresh fruit. i believe it is essential to feed the b1 with adequate carbohydrates. my meals during this block are simply jasmine rice and lean meat cooked in coconut oil, fruits will either be citrus fruits or berries.

during this block i might eat a meal as frequently as once every hour or 1.5 hours just to ensure i have steady glucose. i will also use red light during this block as well for brief periods.

it is better than just coffee + sugar, absolutely. i can also attest to the fact that during this block and whenever i utilize this strategy, my gastric emptying rate is noticeably faster, which is another reason i suspect the b1 helps with cognition. the digestive benefits are not to be overlooked.

remember, you want to "feed" the b1 with proper carbohydrates, keep that in mind. don't do what people often do while studying and go in a stressed state neglecting eating, the improved retention from b1 will make up for the time spent eating or taking care of yourself. its the quality vs quantity that matters.

you don't need to go super high dose with allithiamine, i notice an improvement that lasts a few hours with just 50mg.

@questforhealth said in ADHD, Severe fatigue, digestion problems etc..:

A lot of people online often think i’m a woman it’s just worrying me at this point.

there is nothing more to this other than the fact people assume someone with flowers in their profile pic is a woman, that's all it is.

unhomogenized goat milk was the most agreeable but i could never get dairy digestion to the level i wanted it and i suspect the connection between thyroid and dairy intolerance being the cause for myself. this was after trying whole milk, skim, a2, "lactose free" a2, unhomogenized goat milk, etc

the protein in goat milk tends to be more agreeable (doesn't produce β-casomorphin-7) which can have an impact on digestion, but this doesn't really matter that much as you can just drink a2 cow milk. some posit that goat milk having smaller sized fat globules makes for easier digestion.

for myself, trying every milk variation looking for the solution was a bit of cope when the fundamental issue is thyroid it seems. if you address that and dairy digestion becomes agreeable, you can't go wrong with rays recommendation of skim or low fat milk, anything without fortified vitamins or other nasties should work nicely.

my own TSH has been trending upwards for some years now (the top end of the reference range for normal limits is comically high). ray i believe said for a healthy person TSH should be below 1 and anything above that is a sign there could be impaired metabolic health. pulse is important in this context as well because there are other factors that can suppress TSH so you need to check other markers to get a good picture here of your metabolism.

@questforhealth leafy green parsley probably is, i don't know about root parsley. leafy green parsley is a decent source of apigenin which has anti aromatase properties and some benefits for preventing muscle loss. peat spoke highly of citrus sources (orange juice and marmalade) which contain naringenin but mentioned parsley among some other things for apigenin, another similar flavonoid.

there was a well respected guy in the online bodybuilding community who formulated a supplement that relied on very high dose apigenin, it was a flavonoid based product and from the anecdotes i saw people did notice a positive effect and most seemed to agree the high dose of apigenin was carrying the product. most users who provided this feedback were "advanced" so it was interesting to see positive testimonials. part of his interest was the purported benefits of apigenin to reverse cardiac hypertrophy.

member @Razvan is correct to point out that citrus fruits are probably best. buy some fresh blood oranges, juice them, add a bit of salt and enjoy.

@Norwegian-Mugabe said in High carb, high plant diversity diet?:

I have also observed that people who always needs variety and new forms of stimulation are extremely stressed and in poor health. The kind of type that always needs an event each and every week, probably needs this because they are not able to achieve tranquility within themselves.

i absolutely agree with this assessment and have observed this many times as well. in some high-strung types, i suspect that routine can help placate their neuroticism, often not really solving the underlying problem but it can help facilitate a transition to a better state of health with time. you see this quite a bit in this sphere, certainly on the old board, people making radical changes impulsively diet-wise in a never ending cycle. it is a sign of poor health indeed.

in any scenario i would expect someone who is truly metabolically healthy to have a wide palate for delicious food. i believe there is a time and place for adhering to routine (in the case of a high-strung type mentioned earlier for example), but the goal long-term should be to find a way to implement one of life's greatest joys (food) without such stiffness. this is one of my main interests in bioenergetics, a dynamic and instinctual palate has been elusive thus far, but it is a sign of a metabolically healthy person.

@Norwegian-Mugabe you are correct, the takeaway I got from the centenarians and their habits is they all seemed to have a dietary routine that they looked forward to each day, i suspect the benefits have nothing to do with a lack of variety but simply looking forward to indulging on their daily staples. in my own experience having a routine where i look forward to each aspect of the day, especially food choices, is positively dopaminergic, this is where i think the benefits lie.

i perhaps didn't illustrate the point properly in my previous post but the centenarians i saw videos of or read about seemed to genuinely look forward to every meal, even if it was modest like a bit of chocolate before bed or coffee and cookies. i'm speculating that the dopaminergic benefits of such a routine where you look forward to waking up everyday does quite a bit for longevity, indirectly of course. food choices can help create such a routine.

suffice to say if you can accomplish this while having variety you will, as you said, reap the benefits of a more robust nutrient profile. in my case at any given time, there are really only a small variety of things i truly crave on a given day. the logistics of having a varied diet on a daily basis isn't even that challenging depending on food choices. if you are looking forward to each meal you eat, you are getting the same benefits those centenarians got with their routines i reckon.

@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:

It's been asked before where this contingent of people suddenly came from. Charlies says it is because they never had a 'voice' before, but why would that be if they've been members for years?

this to me is by far the most interesting aspect of this scenario. it is also a bit rich for admin to claim those people didn't have a voice. according to member (now banned i believe) 'raypeatclips', there was a period where disagreeing with the board consensus on fat intake would get you banned. he mentioned this happening several times on various subjects if i remember correctly. suffice to say, if there was a period where people did not have a voice it was purely because of admins decision to censure them. so why the change of heart? well, there is no change of heart, disagreeing (insulting at this point really) with peat is now acceptable/encouraged because it's what the admin is personally doing himself.

it does appear to be the case that some of these people have been doing low vitA for a few years now, admin claimed around 2018/2019 he had been doing some sort of grape diet/morse diet which is where he discovered the low vA "solution", likewise i think that deranged christ woman who posted 260 times in 3 days in the raypeat subreddit until getting banned has been doing low vA for some years now. this is of course per their own postings on rpf, at this stage i don't really trust these peoples own assessment of how they eat, these are the same people who insist fructose is poison while eating 6 apples and 5 bananas per day. delusional.

i must say though, im not shocked these people are proponents of this theory, nor am i shocked this particular caste has seemingly bought into this theory en masse, and i believe i have an explanation. i mentioned the fella several times as i have particular ire for him but the minute i saw matt stone was a proponent of low vA i knew this was going to make the rounds in all the usual suspects who hop from fad to fad, so here we are. people who have had issues for decades and don't seem to be getting closer to a solution, reading health groups day and night looking for the next big thing. i mention all of this to say, i think this explains "where" they are coming from.

that being said, everything else you point out is undeniable and can't be overlooked: blake college, the deranged mercola meltdown, etc. an uncanny amount of coincidence.

@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:

Why would Charlie insist on keeping Peat's name for his forum if he's totally abandoned every principle? If he was worried about losing his base he wouldn't be calling Dr. Peat's work 'toxic', knowing he would alienate many potential customers.

paradoxical, a possible explanation is stubbornness because people pointed out the questionable ethics of keeping ray peat in the name while debasing his work. if it was purely financial that would be one thing, but im not convinced that is the case since the recent attitude is not conducive to selling products his own shop carries for example. certainly not conducive to getting people that are interested in discussing ray peat to pay for a membership either....

if i wasn't completely convinced of the sheer stupidity of the people involved, i would be right there in agreement that there is something else going on here. i wouldn't underestimate how erratic an unhealthy organism who has been in a bad state of health for probably over a decade can be.

i had a flare-up on my hands recently. i wasn't able to deduce exactly what caused the flare-up, as it occurred while i was staying out of town for a period of time.

i ordered organic whipped beef tallow and it provided some relief and seemed to help, my hands got cut up pretty bad from the itching. i can't confidently say the beef tallow "solved" the problem on it's lonesome but it definitely helped kickstart the healing process. it's a very useful product and a little goes a long way, i think it would provide some nice relief.

as it was the first time (that i can recall) something like this happened to me, i don't have any insights on the underlying cause, as i said in my case i suspect an allergen to something in the new environment, i didn't have the time to investigate further so i took the beef tallow route and was satisfied with the relief provided. my hunch tells me in my situation the allergen was the soap or detergent i had available, but that is just a guess.

@questforhealth said in ADHD, Severe fatigue, digestion problems etc..:

I do wonder though, what’s the most androgenic fruits?

ripe papaya or blood oranges for me. never got any bloating or distension from these whereas some other fruits i enjoy aren't very agreeable (white asian pears), whether it be due to the fructose or fiber composition. i could eat 4 oranges in one sitting and have zero issues, other fruits, not so much....

likewise with fresh ripe papaya but it's a pain to find in northern climate...

the only trouble is finding a large variety of plants/vegetables that are agreeable with digestion and that you actually look forward to eating. in practice this scheme works best if you find the 1-2 starches you handle the best and the 1-2 greens you handle the best and have an appetite for/don't have to force down, but that defeats the purpose you are after here which is as much diversity as possible.

you make a point about using things such as steak, eggs, etc as vitamins on an as needed basis. i have a fundamentally simple diet where i rely on jasmine rice for glucose and whatever lean cut of meat for protein structures that im craving and i will use the traditional peaty foods like liver, gelatinous cuts, oj, coconut oil almost as "vitamins".

i have in the past optimized a diet based around traditional "peaty" foods and used cronometer for instance to make sure all nutrients are met in ratios/amounts that would be considered ideal (low pufa, good zinc:copper ratio, good ca:p ratio, low iron, high glycine to methionine ratio, high vit e, etc) but i found this to be too reductionist of an approach. part of this could be nutritional data on foods is contentious at best but that is a separate issue.

as for maximizing diversity, in my experience i feel much better sticking to the same things everyday that i know i digest and look forward to eating and using those traditional peaty items on an as needed basis. if i haven't had liver in a while, i will have some. if im particularly stressed, its oj with masa cooked in coconut oil, once a week i will dine out usually turkish food and try to get something high in glycine like some lamb, ice cream if im out of the house and there is a shop selling häagen-dazs ice cream bars etc.

if you look at the diet and lifestyles of a lot of centenarians, you can observe they are mostly doing the same habits and routine day in day out for decades and often eating the same things. on the other board someone made a funny remark about how they are some of the most boring goddamn people on earth, or appear to be quite dull. i believe the example used is something like "these are the type of people who if they get to listen to their radio for 5 minutes before bed they will be completely satisfied with what they did that day". i think that is one way to look at it. when i have a routine (diet wise) that i look forward to doing everyday, this is a highly dopaminergic thing and i think there is more value in this than anything else. of course, you don't want to be lacking in important nutrients and precursors, hence using the traditional peaty foods whenever you crave them or as needed. i actually think the peaty foods work best as tools rather than eating them every single day but others get great benefits from daily use.

@GreekDemiGod i remember that thread about applying peat ideas to veganism, iirc it devolved very quickly into people giving OP shit about his b12 status despite him claiming he was doing alright. interesting nonetheless.

slightly tangential but i remember from the old board someone pointed out that pea protein isolate had a relatively "peaty" ratio of amino acids, about half the amount of methionine, cysteine, and tryptophan compared to whey per serving. shame it digests like shit.