Posts made by pannacottas

@Pooooop A typical approach for more muscle is doing more volume, for example doubling your sets within a workout. If your workout volume is already high, and you're not seeing results, then your intensity is not high enough and you need to push yourself more, ie train to failure.
Also emphasizing heavy compound movements is key, dips, rows, pullups/pulldows, overhead press, squats, romanian deadlifts etc.

Diet-wise, milk is the most important food and then eggs. If i'm not mistaken, milk protein is the most anabolic of all and egg is very close too plus contains cholesterol. Personally i gained 10kg in 5 months with very little fat gain, while drinking 2L whole milk per day and eating 3-6 eggs.

@Orindere Are you speaking out of experience, or? Because if anything aspirin should help with muscle growth, as it is both an 11β-hsd1 inhibitor and aromatase inhibitor. Also there are many anecdotal reports of people taking aspirin, low and high doses, without negative effects on muscle.

Check Qingdao sigma chemicals on thinksteroids guys.
Also im not one to gatekeep sources and stuff but you need to search more, dont expect to be spoon fed about stuff like that. On thinksteroids if you ask for source at best they'll tell you to use the search function, at worst to fuck off for creating an unnecessary thread lol.

My Periactin has a huge warning at the back that says "PERIACTINE + PREGNANCY = DANGER Do not use in pregnant women, except in the absence of alternative treatment." if that helps.

Anyone have a source for good quality activated charcoal? preferreably from coconut. All the options on toxinless are for the US.

@Bye4ever @risingfire Russian Star Peptides are known scammers. Someone or rpf said their dht gel contained caffeine and finasteride instead of dht, dont know if thats true, but someone else on reddit had it tested at Janoshik and it contained no dht.
So it wouldnt surprise me if their injectable dht is fake too.

Some people dont feel anything at all but also depends on how much you're taking. Maybe try 20-50mg and see if you notice anything. Common effects include decreased libido, improved cognition, mood and memory, increased sociability, more calm and confident etc.

@wester130 Both unique e and health natura are less concentrated than cliganic. Lotioncrafter looks good but the shipping is more than the product itself for me since im in Europe

Besides my ethanol mixtures, i also tried dissolving DHT in pure tocopherol. Tried mixing 10%, which is the same % as progest-e. I heated the mixture by placing the beaker in hot water and stirring continuously for 20-30 minutes, and it did not dissolve.

I used Cliganic vitamin E which is pure tocopherols, not diluted with carrier oils. Based on the GCMS report they sent me it is 1180iu/g. I think that's pretty decent in terms of potency?

In Ray's patent, it says the progesterone concentration can be brought up to 25% which is huge. DHT is a bit less lipophilic than progesterone, having a LogP value of 3.27 compared to 3.87 of progesterone. This is probably partly due to having a hydroxyl group at position C17 which is polar, thus reducing its solubility in nonpolar solvents (like tocopherols). So theoretically, the max solubility of DHT might be around 15-17.5%, if a 0.60 reduction in LogP value corresponds to a moderate reduction in solubility (60-70% of progesterone's).

Maybe more stirring/heat is required and/or better quality vitamin e (we need to find progest-e supplier)?

Agree about the aluminum. But haidut uses LDPE bottles for idealabs, and has tested various products for leaching, including ones in DMSO, and there was none. And in general i thought it's among the safer types of plastic, no?

@wester130 With DHT you dont "feel" anything immediate, it is afterwards that you notice things like improved cognition, calmness, decrease in libido, ability to think clearly, decreased aggression, more outgoing, and generally ape mode, in the sense that you dgaf and eg. can overtake cars easily (Landshark talked about this). At least thats my experience with it

Imo most, if not all of the benefits of T are from the conversion to DHT. The reason that ppl feel T when taking it, is likely from some aromatization thats happening which causes a mild excitatory effect, but is accompanied with T and DHT so it's balanced. DHT lacks that effect as it's non-aromatizable.

So for the past month ive been experimenting with figuring out the maximum solubility of DHT in ethanol. For me DMSO is not an option for me so ethanol is the next best thing.

Using 99% undenatured ethanol, i was able to achieve up to 70mg/ml. 75mg/ml did not dissolve, twice.
With the 70gm/ml solution i tried 2%, 5% and 10% IPM, and a mix of IPM and tocopherol of 5% total, each being around 2.5%, which brings the total concentration down to 50-53mg/ml.

The best by far is the tocopherol and IPM mixture. Leaves minimal to non existent powder line after it dries, has the slowest evaporation of all and is very pleasant to the skin. The IPM only solutions, especially the 2% leaves a very noticeable trace line of powder at the edges of where the liquid was applied, after evaporating.

The only caveats regarding the max solubility is that my ethanol measurement wasnt accurate enough and was maybe off by +- 1-2ml. I used a kitchen scale to measure the equivalent weight in grams and then poured it into a beaker which confirmed the total volume, but none was super accurate so ill try again with a more accurate measuring tool like a pipette.

However im fairly confident that 100mg/ml is not achievable, and i know for a fact 200mg/ml is not. Im saying this because theres someone on the black market selling 10% and 20% DHT gel, and he offers a non DMSO option which he uses ethanol for. I dont know the max solubility of DHT in DMSO, but if you got any of the non DMSO gels, you probably got scammed.

@thyroidchor27 Yes i would recommend and in fact i have tried dry scooping 200mg and swishing with vodka or some other spirit. Works very well.
You wouldnt take an ester orally unless it's the undecanoate one, which may be the same as DHT base. There is a study that showed oral base T was as effective as oral T undecanoeate and in fact if TU wasnt taken with a fatty meal, the absorption was way worse and base T was better. But this doesnt really matter since DHT esters are like unicorns; mythical beings that are only rumored to exist...

@thyroidchor27 I didnt recommend against prog, i simply suggested babou cut it from his stack as it has some similar effects to DHT and it can be hard to gauge DHT's effects if you take both. I would actually recommend progest-e even if you are a man, in small doses. When i take some every now and then, i notice my sleep becomes very restful.
Vitamin E is a group of molecules, comprised of tocopherols and tocotrienols. I think a good product like Tocovit (or health natura, havent tried it) has both.

@babou said in Low dose DHT experiment log:

You say DHEA supplemented in one's 20s would go almost exclusively to estrogen - wouldn't this be less the case when it's accompanied with a significant amount of progesterone both from direct supplementation and from conversion from pregnenolone?

That's true but in no way guaranteed. Maybe if you take big doses of prog, then yes <15mg DHEA will probably not aromatize. However, lower doses of preg especially often dont do shit in that regard. It's also highly individual, for example for me pansterone was very estrogenic, and it has pregnenolone too.

You say a higher DHT dose would be better - perhaps I will resume the experiment with a higher dose and no other hormones to see, but currently it seems to me that I was getting good results on the prior youth hormone-only stack and that some unfavorable side effects emerged only with the addition of DHT, so is part of your thesis that the DHT is interacting with the youth hormones in a way that increases estrogenic effects? Nothing I have read gave indication that this is a possibility. Or are you saying that my DHT dose was low enough that matching it in a 1:1 ratio with DHEA allowed the DHEA to aromatize without sufficient opposition from the DHT?

Yes to both. Because DHT has the highest affinity for SHBG (100% affinity), exogenous DHT will free up T that would otherwise be bound to SHBG so you end up with more free T than normally. This free T can easily aromatize. Now when you also add in an aromatizable steroid like T or DHEA to the mix, the estrogen becomes just too much for the DHT to antagonize.
This is something that bodybuilders have known and experienced for a long time, when taking for example T and Primo/Mast/Proviron (which are DHT derivatives and also have very high affinity for SHBG), and the ratio is off, they get gyno and other estrogenic symptoms which can usually be resolved by lowering T, upping DHT or both.

My general trajectory is solidly positive for a significant amount of time now. I'm just a very curious person and I wanted to dip my toe into, frankly, recreational steroid usage and see if I could do so without compromising my progress from other sources. At this point I'm over a week out from my last post and last dose and I feel totally normal and good, so I consider the experiment a success on that front

Well if what you're doing is working for you, that's all that matters. Most of the time there's no need to change something that works. Im just pointing out some things that it's good to keep in mind since after all it's hormones that we're talking about and some caution is advised.

No offence but there are so many things wrong with this thread...
First of all you dont really seem to understand what is the role of and what effects DHT should have.
The health goals you describe are too generic and can be achieved with an appropriate diet, lifestyle and substances much safer that DHT. They are not exclusive to DHT and some of them are not even part of its effects.

Secondly noone and i repeat noone, should be taking DHEA in their 20s. Endogenous DHEA production peaks at this age and any exogenous administration will convert almost exclusively to estrogen. Which brings me to the next point: why are you taking DHEA while being 20-30% bodyfat? Adipose (fat) tissue already has increased aromatase expression so at this bodyfat there's no doubt the DHEA you're taking is converting to estrogen.
This is also confirmed by you jacking off so many times, since estrogen is excitatory, and causes insatiable, degenerate libido.

Which brings me back to my first point. DHT is a potent anti-estrogen and such should powerfully decrease the estrogenic libido, to the point where you hardly get any urges to jack off. But you dont seem to neither understand that nor be able to distinguish this effect because of the DHEA.

The other substances you're taking are a lot safer but are still blurring the true effects of DHT. If you're taking NDT, progesterone, pregnenolone etc, it is not really a DHT log, is it?
I would only keep thyroid or pregnenolone from these.

Furthermore 10mg transdermal DHT is very low, and despite being in DMSO you're absorbing at most 5-6mg depending on the area you apply. It's highly unlikely that this amount is going to have any significant effect in body composition, androgenic features and the such. Especially with that much body fat, 25-50mg/day is probably better. Do not worry about suppression, it happens at 200mg+ and at these lower doses it actually stimulates its own synthesis.

Finally as Ray has said it's important to have all the other things in place, like thyroid, calcium, magnesium, protein, vitamin D, vitamin E etc before messing with hormones. Like if it hasnt been at least 1.5 year since you ate oatmeal and pufa, you shouldnt take any hormones. "Master" the basics of peating first and then dabble in the bulgarian so to say stuff.

This is my 2c, again not trying to bring you down or insult you, these are just my thoughts as ive been in similar situation before. Good luck

@wester130 Only T undecanoate, which has worse absorption than oral T base if not taken with a fatty meal, and otherwise these two are the same. Both T and DHT can have good oral absorption despite what wikipedia and bodybuilders say.

@Santosh Not really, but because of the low concentration i didnt really bother applying much anyway. Im soon gonna try pure ethanol with 5-10% IPM which should allow for at least 50mg/ml and I'll see if it's as strong as oral.

@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:

@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:

@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.

Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.

I have tried alphagels DHT in DMSO which gave me the most insane contact urticaria ive ever experienced. Like an allergic reaction that lasted for about an hour or two, made my skin lizard-like and stang like crazy. I dont know what quality DMSO he used but that reaction is enough for me to never try DMSO again.
So i couldnt really tell any effects from the DHT because of that reaction.
However QSC powder dissolved in 95 ethanol (managed about 35mg/ml, im getting anhydrous 100% ethanol soon which will give a better concentration) produced noticeable effects, like strong reduction in estrogenic libido, mental clarity, and a sense of calmness.
Also dry scooping 100-200mg powder and swishing/holding with some raki is probably very effective too because brought my strength back up to my previous peak after almost a month of no training, and definitely produces the same calmness effect.

@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.