@Arvidivs You said you were bodybuilding not for your own perception, but for the perception of other men, and that bodybuilding for the perception of women is "gay", it sounds homosexual, you can go read what you wrote again in context. Who in the "fitness industry" is a guy with a little round and childish, non masculine, undefined bone structure, and a lot of muscle disproportionate to the size of his body like Joshua, appeals to women?
Women's actions and/or statements about what they like physically are a better indicator than claims from guys with body dismorphia and bigorexia who potentially talk to women very little if at all
I'm not missing out on the big picture.
You're the one who's "dumb" at the moment, I know a lot of people IRL and online who have done body building for years, have big muscles and are still just as insecure and still have a round face, child like or baby face (free to them), your theoretical idea of "chain of metabolic process" doesn't seem to work in most cases on these aspects.
I didn't imply that I was an ideal, you're projecting your own tendencies
"You look like shit" lolol to be so mad, it wouldn't surprise me if you are Joshua, and that's why you're still emotionally hurt by what I said on the other post, your mother told me she loved my body when we saw each other.
No "Very vague archetype", most guys who tend to have a degree of Masculinity, energy, athletism, and that women like, are not guys with big round muscles relative to their body to the point where it seems absurd, and no baby face either